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Michael Zeleny
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The P75, a.k.a. the P220, has superseded the P49, a.k.a. the P210, in Swiss military service. The P210 still rules in Swiss service pistol competitions. This fact bears on any attempt to compare the performance of the original SIG Neuhausen pistol to its bargain basement SIG-Sauer derivatives.
gc70
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Reference, please (links to records of competitions would be nice).
1BLINDREF
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mkonops-
I saw this gun in your add on the Sigforum. Are you selling just the slide? Are the Nills For sale??
That is a sweet looking P226. I can't wait to get mine back from CCR
I saw this gun in your add on the Sigforum. Are you selling just the slide? Are the Nills For sale??
That is a sweet looking P226. I can't wait to get mine back from CCR
yongxingfreesty
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im interested in the grips if they are for sale.
1BLINDREF
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Sig Armorer DVD
If anyone was thinking about getting the Sig Armorer DVD by Chris Orndorff, get it!
I sat down last night and watched it all the way through. It is very informative. It shows how to completely disassemble the "P" series Sigs down to the smallest part. It covers the old stamped slide models (he breaks down a well worn W.German P226), the newer solid block slide models (he breaks down a P239), and the P230/P232. It shows you how to change the mag release to the right side of the frame and how to properly change out all of the guns springs, including the hammer and firing pin spring. It also covers the recommended lube points on the guns. IMHO - its well worth the $22.00.
There is also a DVD that covers the Sig Pros.
You can buy them from Top Gun Supply - http://www.topgunsupply.com/DVD-s-VIDEO-s-c-56.html
Tom and Michelle at Top Gun are an excellent source for Sig parts and many other gun related items. I've purchase from them many times without any problems.
If anyone was thinking about getting the Sig Armorer DVD by Chris Orndorff, get it!
I sat down last night and watched it all the way through. It is very informative. It shows how to completely disassemble the "P" series Sigs down to the smallest part. It covers the old stamped slide models (he breaks down a well worn W.German P226), the newer solid block slide models (he breaks down a P239), and the P230/P232. It shows you how to change the mag release to the right side of the frame and how to properly change out all of the guns springs, including the hammer and firing pin spring. It also covers the recommended lube points on the guns. IMHO - its well worth the $22.00.
There is also a DVD that covers the Sig Pros.
You can buy them from Top Gun Supply - http://www.topgunsupply.com/DVD-s-VIDEO-s-c-56.html
Tom and Michelle at Top Gun are an excellent source for Sig parts and many other gun related items. I've purchase from them many times without any problems.
Holydoc
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Expanded my collection with my dream target pistol, Sig P226 X-Five L1
And of course my original Sig baby, Sig P232.
And of course my original Sig baby, Sig P232.
Lonestar49
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OMG
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HD,
Take it back, before it's too late..
Too late, someone call the Sig sick doc.. man needs help.. lol
Congrats on a ~ Beauty ~
LS
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HD,
Take it back, before it's too late..
Too late, someone call the Sig sick doc.. man needs help.. lol
Congrats on a ~ Beauty ~
LS
1BLINDREF
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doc-
CONGRATS!!!
What a sweet piece that X5 is. Complete with factory Nills and all.
You are a lucky man!!
Now you need to get you some Nills for that little 232.
Looks like Sig might still have some in stock - Hope you have some $$ left after picking up that X5
http://www.sigarms.com/SigStore/ShowProduct.aspx?categoryid=90
Good luck with your new baby!
CONGRATS!!!
What a sweet piece that X5 is. Complete with factory Nills and all.
You are a lucky man!!
Now you need to get you some Nills for that little 232.
Looks like Sig might still have some in stock - Hope you have some $$ left after picking up that X5
http://www.sigarms.com/SigStore/ShowProduct.aspx?categoryid=90
Good luck with your new baby!
Holydoc
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Got Nills for P232
Blindref,
That picture of the my P232 was taken after my first time out on the range with it. Since then I have replaced the grips with the Nills from Sig. Got them at close-out prices. Guess I will need to take a picture of my whole wooden gripped family soon.
Blindref,
That picture of the my P232 was taken after my first time out on the range with it. Since then I have replaced the grips with the Nills from Sig. Got them at close-out prices. Guess I will need to take a picture of my whole wooden gripped family soon.
1BLINDREF
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Holydoc-
That would be a cool shot - Big brother and Lil sister
That would be a cool shot - Big brother and Lil sister
KBintheSLC
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I only have one Sig (P239 which I am morbidly in love with)... can I be in your club?
v65magnafan
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First Sig
Well, my old eyes had trouble acquiring the sights on my pretty Beretta Elite II.
And, I was never quite comfortable with the grip. Beautiful gun, though.
So, I thought about a Glock, and I thought about an MP.
I thought about going from .40 to 9, so that I wouldn't have to pick up as much brass.
And I thought, Glock or MP? Glock or MP?
Then I picked up a P226. 9mm. It has the best handgun grip and balance I've ever experienced and sights I can actually use.
It's a CPO, made in '91 (if I'm decoding the date correctly.) The inside looks absolutely new. The barrel has some scuffing. It needed a good cleaning, too.
The externals are OK. The gun looks as if it's been in a holster a few times, but the finish is mostly excellent.
It's been cleaned, scrubbed, lubed. Tonight, we go to the range.
Well, my old eyes had trouble acquiring the sights on my pretty Beretta Elite II.
And, I was never quite comfortable with the grip. Beautiful gun, though.
So, I thought about a Glock, and I thought about an MP.
I thought about going from .40 to 9, so that I wouldn't have to pick up as much brass.
And I thought, Glock or MP? Glock or MP?
Then I picked up a P226. 9mm. It has the best handgun grip and balance I've ever experienced and sights I can actually use.
It's a CPO, made in '91 (if I'm decoding the date correctly.) The inside looks absolutely new. The barrel has some scuffing. It needed a good cleaning, too.
The externals are OK. The gun looks as if it's been in a holster a few times, but the finish is mostly excellent.
It's been cleaned, scrubbed, lubed. Tonight, we go to the range.
motorheadjohn
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Not sure I have posted my pics, so here is one...my most recent acquisition, a used P226 9mm along with my Kimber Custom TLE II.
Another...P226R .40 with a set of SiG CT grips.
Another...P226R .40 with a set of SiG CT grips.
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KBintheSLC
You're in! P239's are easy to fall in love with
v65magnafan
Welcome - Good luck with that P226, give us a range report when you get a chance!
Catalina
Two VERY sweet Sigs! Is that first one a P220 Compact Elite SAS?? Thats the first on this thread. Very nice
motorheadjohn
Is that P226R with the CTs a factory finish? If not, who did it?
Its beautifull - I love the black controls.
You're in! P239's are easy to fall in love with
v65magnafan
Welcome - Good luck with that P226, give us a range report when you get a chance!
Catalina
Two VERY sweet Sigs! Is that first one a P220 Compact Elite SAS?? Thats the first on this thread. Very nice
motorheadjohn
Is that P226R with the CTs a factory finish? If not, who did it?
Its beautifull - I love the black controls.
v65magnafan
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P226 CPO Range Report
Before I report on the 226, please let me give you a bit of background. I came to the sport late--about five years ago.
Now, I'm 61, in good shape, with the usual presbyopia and, unfortunately, mixed dominance. Right handed-left eyed.
I tried shooting left-eyed, with a modified weaver, but it was too awkward. I tried shooting with my left eye open. It was unpleasant and ineffective.
So, I shoot right eyed, left eye closed. Soon, I'm going to get a "scrip" with right eye at about 1.5 diopters and left eye plano. This will give me a sharp front sight with good peripheral vision from the left. I hope.
I shoot fairly well with my Para 1911 SSP, but shooting with my Beretta Elite II was a disaster. I tried for two years to master it. It isn't the gun's fault. I'm sure that someone else will be very effective with the grip, the trigger, and the small, black Novak sights.
I knew that the Beretta wasn't for me, and I didn't want to shoot .45 for my upcoming DP qualification course: too much bother cocking, locking, and picking up brass when I should be concentrating on shooting.
I checked out a Glock 17 and an M&P 9. I wasn't totally happy with either. Then, I picked up a SIG. It all came together. Grip, balance, sights, trigger.
The local shop was happy to strike a deal--CPO for Beretta, and I was happy with the financial aspect, so here I am.
I learned that I got a few unexpected benefits with the SIG.
First of all, I loaded one round in each of my four new magazines. I set up a target at seven yards. No jam. No FTF. The first shot is high but on axis. Now I know that the sights are aligned, but not combat sights.
I acquire the sights very easily, even in the relatively dim indoor range. Place the white dot on the bar and the dot under the bull. Do a DA pull. Right down the shoot.
Next, I loaded five rounds in each mag. First mag: DA pull, followed by four SA pulls. There was a nice ragged hole.
Next, speed up. A couple of flyers and a good cluster.
On SA, the trigger is instinctual, if you know what I mean.
Even more than the 1911, the SIG seems to want the human behind it to be a better shooter. It doesn't fight me. It helps. Even more so than a 1911.
This gun is as accurate as my 1911--maybe more accurate--but with a very controllable muzzle. I can re-acquire the target almost instantly.
Now, here's the big surprise: the casings were not scattered all over the range. They all landed pretty much at 4 and 6 very close to me. A few bounced onto the range. Do you know what this means? No more crawling all over the range looking for spent casings. The Beretta spit them out all over. Right, left, behind, five stalls down, into the floor fan, onto the rear bench, the range. So, with the brass so easy to retrieve, I think I'll reload my nines.
I left the target at the shop with a thanks to the salesman. And I drove to my nearest LEE dealer to pick up 9mm dies.
This SIG is a real sweet gun. What a find!
Before I report on the 226, please let me give you a bit of background. I came to the sport late--about five years ago.
Now, I'm 61, in good shape, with the usual presbyopia and, unfortunately, mixed dominance. Right handed-left eyed.
I tried shooting left-eyed, with a modified weaver, but it was too awkward. I tried shooting with my left eye open. It was unpleasant and ineffective.
So, I shoot right eyed, left eye closed. Soon, I'm going to get a "scrip" with right eye at about 1.5 diopters and left eye plano. This will give me a sharp front sight with good peripheral vision from the left. I hope.
I shoot fairly well with my Para 1911 SSP, but shooting with my Beretta Elite II was a disaster. I tried for two years to master it. It isn't the gun's fault. I'm sure that someone else will be very effective with the grip, the trigger, and the small, black Novak sights.
I knew that the Beretta wasn't for me, and I didn't want to shoot .45 for my upcoming DP qualification course: too much bother cocking, locking, and picking up brass when I should be concentrating on shooting.
I checked out a Glock 17 and an M&P 9. I wasn't totally happy with either. Then, I picked up a SIG. It all came together. Grip, balance, sights, trigger.
The local shop was happy to strike a deal--CPO for Beretta, and I was happy with the financial aspect, so here I am.
I learned that I got a few unexpected benefits with the SIG.
First of all, I loaded one round in each of my four new magazines. I set up a target at seven yards. No jam. No FTF. The first shot is high but on axis. Now I know that the sights are aligned, but not combat sights.
I acquire the sights very easily, even in the relatively dim indoor range. Place the white dot on the bar and the dot under the bull. Do a DA pull. Right down the shoot.
Next, I loaded five rounds in each mag. First mag: DA pull, followed by four SA pulls. There was a nice ragged hole.
Next, speed up. A couple of flyers and a good cluster.
On SA, the trigger is instinctual, if you know what I mean.
Even more than the 1911, the SIG seems to want the human behind it to be a better shooter. It doesn't fight me. It helps. Even more so than a 1911.
This gun is as accurate as my 1911--maybe more accurate--but with a very controllable muzzle. I can re-acquire the target almost instantly.
Now, here's the big surprise: the casings were not scattered all over the range. They all landed pretty much at 4 and 6 very close to me. A few bounced onto the range. Do you know what this means? No more crawling all over the range looking for spent casings. The Beretta spit them out all over. Right, left, behind, five stalls down, into the floor fan, onto the rear bench, the range. So, with the brass so easy to retrieve, I think I'll reload my nines.
I left the target at the shop with a thanks to the salesman. And I drove to my nearest LEE dealer to pick up 9mm dies.
This SIG is a real sweet gun. What a find!
v65magnafan
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One more thing.
Easy to field strip--easier than the Beretta--and the Beretta is easy.
And the parts, nooks and crannies are all accessible and easy to clean. I can clean and lube this gun in a fraction of the time it takes the others.
One can easily justify why SIGs cost a bit more. What I pay up front I get back in less maintenance time and fewer repair issues.
Easy to field strip--easier than the Beretta--and the Beretta is easy.
And the parts, nooks and crannies are all accessible and easy to clean. I can clean and lube this gun in a fraction of the time it takes the others.
One can easily justify why SIGs cost a bit more. What I pay up front I get back in less maintenance time and fewer repair issues.
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motorheadjohn
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Standard stainless model finish...I think the picture resize / jpg compression has hazed the resolution a little. The CT grips came on my first gun (nitron/black alloy) but I usually have them on the stainless model.
1BLINDREF
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v65magnafan
Thanks for the great report. I'm glad that you shoot so well with your P226. The P226s are great shooters. They are very accurate.
J32A2
Welcome and good luck with your new P239, I'm sure you'll like it
Thanks for the great report. I'm glad that you shoot so well with your P226. The P226s are great shooters. They are very accurate.
You get what you pay for.
I'm not sure if it means anything. I notice that some of my guns throw brass all over and others tend to put them in a neat pile for me. My guess is thats its just a trait of a particular gun.
J32A2
Welcome and good luck with your new P239, I'm sure you'll like it
if some of you are interested in getting proficient with your sig or any other DA/SA pistol heres links to a couple of classes taught by Bruce Gray.
Bruce is the definative master Sig gunsmith and a grand master IPSC shooter...he was a member of the SigArms team.
Dallas/Fort Worth
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/451105858/m/637103249
Orlando FL
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/451105858/m/7911040201
San Francisco Bay Area
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/5631040201
San Diego
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/451105858/m/292102569
Bruce is the definative master Sig gunsmith and a grand master IPSC shooter...he was a member of the SigArms team.
Dallas/Fort Worth
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/451105858/m/637103249
Orlando FL
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/451105858/m/7911040201
San Francisco Bay Area
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/5631040201
San Diego
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/451105858/m/292102569
Ok talk me out of this...
I made a big mistake today, went over to the local Gander Mtn after work and one of the clerks I know was all alone at the firearms counter. So I chatted with him and decided against my better judgement to get my hands on most every 9mm they had on the shelves to see what felt right in my large hands.
I got to handle the following - Glock 19, 17 - Springfield XD Compact - FIE BHP - CZ 75 - Bersa Thunder - Sig P225/P6
Not everything out there by a long shot but it was the selections available tonight.
Of all the guns listed above, the Glocks seemed the most functionally simple and the gun just felt like something that would just work. Sadly it was one that just felt wrong in my hands, perhaps one before the finger grooves were introduced would feel better to me. The FIE Browning was very awkward with some aftermarket Pachmayr wraparound grips, I'm sure with good wood grips that would have felt better but the sights were just a high profile and not quite suited for a IWB carry. The CZ was awfully heavy, and the Bersa just felt like a lightweight.
The Sig for some reason just felt right in the same way that my 1911 feels like part of my hand, the Sig just seems to fit. The problem... it is a P6 w.German Police trade-in, bad finish wear on all 3 they have out, the one that is cleaner outside was an additional $50 which seems pointless to me. I am just leery about looking further at this gun. I was told the springs were replaced on all the Sigs when they came in to Gander, but the hammer just felt loose when striking in DA, I'll need to put on a normal hammer anyways the hook style of this one is just not right.
So talk me out of this, or talk me into this Sig. I only have my .22LR Trailside which has given me NO problems, and I've been looking for a 9mm. Are these trade-ins just junk? Or...?
If I do buy one, it will be sorely in need of a refinish to mask the horrid looking import mark.... looks like a 5 year old with a typewriter did the stamping for them.
I made a big mistake today, went over to the local Gander Mtn after work and one of the clerks I know was all alone at the firearms counter. So I chatted with him and decided against my better judgement to get my hands on most every 9mm they had on the shelves to see what felt right in my large hands.
I got to handle the following - Glock 19, 17 - Springfield XD Compact - FIE BHP - CZ 75 - Bersa Thunder - Sig P225/P6
Not everything out there by a long shot but it was the selections available tonight.
Of all the guns listed above, the Glocks seemed the most functionally simple and the gun just felt like something that would just work. Sadly it was one that just felt wrong in my hands, perhaps one before the finger grooves were introduced would feel better to me. The FIE Browning was very awkward with some aftermarket Pachmayr wraparound grips, I'm sure with good wood grips that would have felt better but the sights were just a high profile and not quite suited for a IWB carry. The CZ was awfully heavy, and the Bersa just felt like a lightweight.
The Sig for some reason just felt right in the same way that my 1911 feels like part of my hand, the Sig just seems to fit. The problem... it is a P6 w.German Police trade-in, bad finish wear on all 3 they have out, the one that is cleaner outside was an additional $50 which seems pointless to me. I am just leery about looking further at this gun. I was told the springs were replaced on all the Sigs when they came in to Gander, but the hammer just felt loose when striking in DA, I'll need to put on a normal hammer anyways the hook style of this one is just not right.
So talk me out of this, or talk me into this Sig. I only have my .22LR Trailside which has given me NO problems, and I've been looking for a 9mm. Are these trade-ins just junk? Or...?
If I do buy one, it will be sorely in need of a refinish to mask the horrid looking import mark.... looks like a 5 year old with a typewriter did the stamping for them.
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