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li think you might be having some other issues with you DA/SA if you're having to run a 24lb spring in it to make it ignite reliably. you should be able to get under 20lbs

luckily we're looking at bringing a Grayguns class to western Penn in May of next year...i'll post when i get more details..
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Please do! I'd be interested. What all is covered in a Grayguns class?
Other issue maybe being a firing pin or firing pin spring??
I don't have a round count on the gun. It looked to be an LEO trade in when I bought it.

BTW - I just noticed that you and AK103K have the same exact THR join date 12-27-02 :scrutiny:
 
Here are mine. I know the pic kind of sucks, but it will have to do for now....

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Actually..

Quote: Here are mine. I know the pic kind of sucks, but it will have to do for now....
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Hmmm, dunno Lightsped, but you may well have the Sig Christmas card and the 3 wise men, all in one shot..

Sig style, bearing ~ peace ~ for you and yours.

I'm pleased..


Ls ;)
 
New member with a question

Hi all. I'm new to this, but I am lucky to have Sig. It's an early model P229 in .357 Sig that I acquired in a trade (for an Anchutz 1807 that I didn't use any more). It's the first trade that I've walked away from feeling that I got the better end of the deal!

I love the way it handles...flat trajectory and fast slugs.

Anyway, I'd like to upgrade to some night sights and was wondering if the other Sig owners here have any recommendations? I read that the two most well liked are the Trijicon tritium and the Truglo TFO sights. Any preference?

Dudeman44
 
^ I'd also be interested in hearing some night-sight preferences. My P226ST has the standard 3 dot night sights that came stock on the gun - they work, but I think that I'd prefer something else.

I should be sending it to Grayguns on Monday, and when asking about a combat night sight setup, they suggested going with a Trijicon tritium front with a stock rear (all black or with white line). I think this is an intriguing setup, and may go with this.

Many have mentioned they had issues with TrugGlo's, so I'm a bit wary about using them. The Straight-Eight sights look decent, but some have said determining the distance between the tritium on the front and rear can be difficult (when lining them up you need to leave some space in between). Finally, one other sight I kind of liked is the XS 24/7, though probably the regular sized dot and not the big dot (easier to shoot further with the smaller dot, though if for a close-quarters gun the big dot would be great).
 
I believe the factory night sights are made by Meprolight. I have both factory and Meprolights on my SIG's and they look to be the same.

I tool older Trijicons off a couple of used guns I bought and replaced them with the Mepro's. The Trijicons had smaller tubes and a small, aluminum ring around the vial. I dont know if they have changed this or not, but they were not as easy to see in daylight. The Mepro's have a white ring around the vial, and they look like a three dot sight in daylight.

I havent used the Tru Glo's. They look a little fragile to me, as well as bulky. If they could get them into a smaller, more robust package, I might bite.

Personally, I like the three dots, all in green, the best. I find them to be the quickest to use and require no thought. Your eye lines them up naturally, and you get both horizontal and vertical alignment instantly. They also work well when the gun is just below your line of sight. Your eyes pick up a small triangle pointed at the target.
 
there is a school of thought that the 3 dot system confuses the brain as it tries to read it as "language" and doesn't immediately see it as a sight picture.

that is why Grayguns advises installing just the front vial.

i currently have a front dot over a rear horizontal bar (under the notch). it works just like the Heine straight-8, but gives a bit more windage alignment
 
I've used the three dot set up since they first arrived quite awhile back and long before night sights. I myself have never found them confusing or requiring any thought to use. The gun comes up and there is a nice little row of dots. Always seemed the most simple way to go to me.

Most of the complaints I've seen posted were about misalignment, which is about impossible and instantly noticeable. I always figured the statement was made by someone with no experience with them.

I've tried some of the other set ups, but never found one to my liking. For me, they always seemed to require more thought to get and/or verify a sight picture.

I'm not sure how well just the front sight would work, especially since you have no way to verify elevation. For fast, close work I suppose it would be fine, but then again, so are the three dots.

I suppose with any of them, with a little practice, you could get them all to work.
 
Night Sights Questions

Hey Just a thought try the Sig Refurbish Deal (check website for details) it's like a hundred and twenty or thirty bucks and they replace springs and clean the whole gun plus install night sights and when necessary give you a new case for it. Pretty sweet deal. Check it out!

Edit: Check it out just passed 500 posts...
 
I'm getting in on the sight conversation a bit late. I'm in San Antonio at my sons Air Force basic training graduation :)

I agree with AK103K, I prefer the Mepros over the Trijicons because of the larger white ring around the glow tube. I find them them to be much faster to get on target.
I do have a few of my Sigs (range guns) still wearing the bar-dot sights. I shoot them about the same as I do the Mepro sighted Sigs.
I think its interesting that Sig puts a front night sight and a rear bar sight on the SASs'.
I'd prefer them to be three dots like my other ccw Sigs. I have a sight tool that is a must to have when adjusting and changing sights.
I'll probably be changing the rear sights on my SASs' to the three dot Mepros.
 
I agree with the three-dot night sight system causing problems, and for me it has gotten worse as I get older. Several years ago, I noticed that the rear dots tended to overpower the front dot, and sometimes cast a ghost double image. When I started carrying a G22 in 2002, I went with the Heinie Straight-8 set-up, and it worked well. In 2004, I switched to a P229R as a duty pistol, and did OK with the factory night sights until just recently. I now can only see the rear dots glowing, while the front totally fuzzes out. As I carry a pistol for a living, this is alarming, and it's a really good thing I can point-shoot decently. I handled a P229 SAS, which has a night front sight and standard rear, and the sight picture was fine. My Les Baer TRS is about to lose its rear sight, to be replaced by a plain black Novak, and my P229 will probably get a plain factory rear, though other options are under consideration, including totally doing away with the night sights. They can be a disadvantage in a real fight, anyway, giving away one's position to a bad guy. I just bought a nice pre-owned P229, with stock plain sights, for a good price, and will do some experimention.
 
Switch your rear sights in color

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I kinda had the problem, with the night sights blending, all three being green, so when I changed out my Beretta's factory sights to Trijicons, I had a long talk (with several people) and came away with all agreed on the front sight should be green, the brightest color for one's eyes to see at night.

But the consensus for the rear 2 dots was most in favor of Orange, then Yellow..

I went with Orange, and have to say, at night, they're not nearly as bright as the front green sight, yet, they stand out, but it makes for quick, and distinct, "separation" of the rears, centered with the brighter green front sight, with ease.

So, my strong suggestion for anyone with any kind of eye problems and all green night sights, not being able to get clear, fast, separation, is to switch out the rears for either Orange or Yellow..

You can, if Trijicon doesn't have any, get them from a place in Las Vegas, Nevada, called Night Sights.. That's what they specialize in, different color rear sights, and they are people friendly, and there service is excellent..


Ls
 
Hey 9mmepiphany, Where did you get the Bar-Dot night sights?
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i had them made by Ned Christiansen of Michiguns m-gun.com they started as a solid block of metal and he just cut them out. he inserted the rear tube from underneath so it wouldn't fall out

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it's hard to find non-snag rear sights for a sig due to the curvature of the top of the slide
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I'm happy with XS Big Dot on my 228, which is my nightstand gun:

Excuse the photo quality and alignment...just trying to get the glow
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Nice shooting motorhead You have a nice collection. Do you have any pics of the P226R Stainless? I'd like to get one or a P229ST.
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Here it is, though it is wearing the laser grips that came with my first handgun ever purchased (P226R CT .40 in Aug 2006). The extra weight of the stainless is nice at long range sessions but at the 3-day Gray Guns class in NC this year all that extra weight was very hard on the shoulders at arms' length all day long.

BTW Bruce, Tang (9mmepiphany), and Jerry were AWESOME instructors and I will be going back for another class in 2008. I would recommend the Gray Guns pistol practical fundamentals course to anyone looking to improve their shooting. I used to be fairly inconsistent, from a persistent flinch, on a B27 silhouette target at 7-15yds but figured it was good enough and all "minute of bad guy". Now I am shooting in the 10-ring on a smaller B29 target at 7yds as pictured on page 41 and can hit nice groups at 50ft to 50yds. If you want to take your shooting to the next level, check out one of the Gray Guns classes!

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This picture was from the end of first day of Gray Guns class. I had improved a lot by that point. That jagged hole in the headshots represents 3 full 12-rd magazines, shot 6rds at a time rapid fire, plus some mozambique drills, at 7yds!

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Thanks for the pics motorhead. Sweet ST :cool:
About how many rounds did you shoot in the three days? Did you have any other training prior to going to the Grayguns class?
 
No other training before the class. I think they said bring 1200 rounds, and recommend 9mm due to cost. At that time I only had the P226R .40 and .40 ST, plus a Kimber .45, so I took the stainless .40 for the class. I ended up using about 1000 rounds in the class.

I am a noob shooter, bought my first handgun in Aug 2006, and am mostly self-taught (lots of reading on forums for technique, did learn a lot about safety and shooting from it though). I think I shot about 1400 rounds practice between Sept and Nov 2006 which is when I had my CHP class, and scored over 95% on the shooting qual, highest in the class including seasoned shooter. The GGI class was July 2007 and helped make a lot of things click for me and my groups tightened up dramatically. PLUS it gave us lots of practice drawing from holster, rapid fire, moving to, from and across targets, etc. which I don't get at my local range (no drawing, no movement, no rapid fire rules). The instructors and other students were all great, very good learning experience for both seasoned and new shooters.
 
Well done

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For all around efforts in; choice of weapon, self-teaching, taking class, improving..

Ls awards you Sig rookie of the year (2006) with an A ;)


Ls
 
Looks like it is time to fill out my Sig club membership card. Just placed my order for a new P226 .40. I put another 300 rounds through a rental (did something similar last week) at the range and I really really like this weapon.

Can't wait to break it in.
 
You guys can add me to the Sig club. I drank the Sig koolaid back in 1991. Got hold of a w. german nickel slide P226 9mm and haven't looked back since. The P series are my favorite pistols.

Even have a 556.

Still need to get some optics for it though.
 
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