Sinister Model 1860 Snubby

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I have Uberti .36 1862 Pocket Police that has had the barrel shortened and looks almost exactly like Hoof Hearted's gun except it is smaller. I bought it that way because it looked different than the run of the mill PP and the price I paid for it was a bargain. I wonder if Kirst has any plans for a cartridge conversion for them. They used to convert them for cartridges in the day according to the book I have by Dennis Adler on conversions. If they could do it then, it surely can be done today. The batteries in my camera are dead so I can't post pictures of it now, but will try to post some later.
 
Gringo

Walt and Jay have done "one off" conversions on the 5 shot Colts in the past. Jay still does them on a custom order basis. PM me if you are serious but there is a lot of hand work and cost!
 
here's a pic of a snub spotted online- the grips are interesting, and that barrel is tiny!
Think you can make grips like that?
 

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that is the one I want! it is a factory offering but nobody imports it. My first experience with that grip was the Beretta stampede marshal. It looked just like the cartridge version you have there. I had to sell it a few years ago. I love the thunderer grip style and am waiting on an email from VTI to see if it is still available.
 
Hoof your work is awesome! And that AK photo is ridiculous, had to share it with a friend :)

Curious, I don't have the money right now at all (Holidays), but someday when i do have the $$, would you 'snubberize' a 1847 Walker for me? :D Also contemplating having you snubberize a '51... (now I want a snub version of every cap n ball there is!)

Very very cool stuff here good sir
 
I made that one, but you are right Indy, someone has them as a factory or semi-factory offering, I remember someone was putting out one called the ''Natchez''....
 
iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns said:
Hoof your work is awesome! And that AK photo is ridiculous, had to share it with a friend :)

Curious, I don't have the money right now at all (Holidays), but someday when i do have the $$, would you 'snubberize' a 1847 Walker for me? :D Also contemplating having you snubberize a '51... (now I want a snub version of every cap n ball there is!)

Very very cool stuff here good sir
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Yea!
I have been wanting to "Wack" off a Walker (that sounds bad).........
Shoot me a PM when you get there.

Regards,
HH
 
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for those like myself looking for the thunderer grips/gripframes, i found this place that has a little cheaper offerings than VTI right now :) anyone know if the cattleman parts (its a SAA 1873 style i believe) fit on C&B repros?

http://www.taylorsfirearmsstore.com/SACattlemanOldModelThundererParts.htm
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what you have shown is parts for the "cattleman" thunderer. The cattleman is a Uberti model. When looking on VTI I looked for Pietta parts. I am thinking that Uberti would not be a good fit for Pietta but the fact that Pietta sells the thunderer style grip fitted to the 1860 frame would seem to indicate that the fit is possible. I can't see Pietta making two separate thunderer style grips. This is also backed up by older posts I have found in my searches for this possible combination. I am thinking that it is entirely possible that the Cattleman thunderer grip would fit the Uberti 1860 frame as well. The proof is in the pudding as they say. I have a Uberti Cattleman Hombre. I believe that the Taylor parts would fit that revolver. When funds are available I may just buy that grip and then get a Uberti 1860 and see how the fit works out. The overall cost would be higher if using the Uberti parts in spite of the reduced cost for the Taylor parts. The revolver cost would seem to make up for any savings you might get. I am going to check the price difference between Taylors and VTI on the Uberti parts, VTI carries both Pietta and Uberti parts.
 
yeah, i offered that link because at VTI the pietta thunderer related parts were missing the trigger guard. i also have a pietta and would like to have as close to fitting as possible without having to modify stuff. let me know what they say about the pietta parts, if they have some trigger guards it might be worth picking them up there.
 
Guys.......the Uberti frames, be it a 1851 Navy or a 1861 Army or 1861 Navy will all interchange grips. The same applies to Pietta but NOT PIETTA to UBERTI. Sometimes there are slight overhangs when changing (the trigger guard or the peaks above the "wine glass" portion of the grip frame) from pistol to pistol. Bascially the 1873 cartridge types will also interchange as long as you stay with the same manufacturer.
 
Hoof Hearted said:
Guys.......the Uberti frames, be it a 1851 Navy or a 1861 Army or 1861 Navy will all interchange grips. The same applies to Pietta but NOT PIETTA to UBERTI. Sometimes there are slight overhangs when changing (the trigger guard or the peaks above the "wine glass" portion of the grip frame) from pistol to pistol. Bascially the 1873 cartridge types will also interchange as long as you stay with the same manufacturer.
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yeah, what he said. ;)
 
I thought the original "avenging angel" was a smaller frame revolver. I understand that the pietta snubby is built on the same frame as just about ALL pietta C&B revolvers. I know the original Colts had a few different size frames. On a different subject Hoof, I am a big fan of Wolff springs in my SAAs, Have you ever tried to fit a Wolff bolt/trigger spring into a Walker? I have heard that some people can make their own wire springs with piano wire or gunsmith grade spring wire, is this something you can do? The Walker of course needs a longer spring.
 
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Yer not going to like my opinion here.........

There is no need for a wire bolt/hand spring. Proper trigger and hammer stoning will fix this and too light a spring and late timing can be disasterous if you slam the hammer back and get the gun to fire out of battery. I have seen some real early Walkers with poorly stamped springs that could stand some shaping/sanding.

I also see no need to buy a "reduced" hammer spring.......simlpy resand it to the weight you desire using a loose belt sander (keep the thing smooth...think hourglass shape).
 
what makes ya think i wont like it? I asked for your opinion. Anybody who thinks they know everything about a subject may as well go home. I am always willing to learn something or ponder another point of view! ;)
 
Snub nosed revolvers were built on all the frame sizes offered by Colts, Remington or whoever. All it took was a saw. The Avenging Angel was supposedly an 1860 Colt sawed off to just in front of the barrel lug. I have seen photos of orignail guns of various types cut down.

These are photos from the 2008 Utah Gun Collectors Show, (about 2/3rds of the way down)

http://ugca.org/08oct/ugca08octmain.htm

This article appeared in the American Rifleman,

http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/snubbie_article_1.jpg (JPEG...pdf

http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/snubbie_article_2.jpg (JPEG...pdf

While all the frame sizes have been cut down, some were more practical than others. Colts made enough variety in the Pocket frames (31s and 36s) that cutting tham wasn't necessary unless you got one of the long 6" barrels. The Dragoons even when cut, were still large revolvers and difficult to conceal. And of course there is my Walker with the 5" barrel. Enough said!

The most practical frame size to work on was the belt model, 36s and 44s. They combined the portability and power needed by those who needed them cut down.
 
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