Some more fall out from fast &Furious

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So it appears, assuming news reports and Narco News’ source are accurate, ATF’s Fast and Furious operation was helping the Sinaloa organization get the upper hand in its battle with the VCF for drug routes in the Juarez/Palomas/Columbus region.
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http://narcosphere.narconews.com/no...ps-may-now-be-coping-fast-and-furious-fallout

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According to Zambada Neibla, he and the rest of the Sinaloa leadership, through the informant Loya Castro, negotiated a quid-pro-quo immunity deal with the US government in which they were guaranteed protection from prosecution in exchange for providing US law enforcers and intelligence agencies with information that could be used to compromise rival Mexican cartels and their operations.
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THIS IS NOTHING NEW; INTIMIDATE, INFILTRATE, EXTERMINATE, AFTER THEY HAVE DONE YOUR DIRTY WORK

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/04/16/Exclusive-Fast-and-Furious

Pavlich doesn’t just expose the Obama administration. She exposes the mainstream media for what they are: tools of the Democratic Party, and of the White House.
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Which got closed because of all the evil media bashing and the inevitable political speak....


So, what I would like as the Op for this thread, is for those of you who are interested in this matter please read the the links posted "but" regardless of how you feel on the subject after reading, just post either GOOD, BAD, OR THE UGLY!! ANYTHING ELSE AND IT WILL GET THIS CLOSED. I personally feel that F&F is something that had many levels which fall under the Good, Bad, and Ugly but we can not solve it here on this forum; consider this a thread for your information only.:scrutiny:

IF YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE ARTICLES OR INFO PROVIDED THEN PLEASE REMAIN SILENT.

THERE ARE SEVERAL WEB SIGHTS DEALING WITH THIS SUBJECT ALL WITH THEIR OWN BIAS SO THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY AND NOT NECESARLY THE ONE WITH ALL THE FACTS.


http://narcosphere.narconews.com/no...-niebla-case-exposes-us-drug-war-quid-pro-quo

U.S. government officials have long presented the drug war through the media as a type of "Dirty Harry” movie, in which hardscrabble cops are engaged in a pitched battle with hardened street criminals who threaten the very social fabric of life behind America’s gated communities.

Of course it’s a big pretense, with the truth being closer to what really goes on in the marketplace of the US everyday. The drug war is, in reality, a drug business in which backroom deals are cut to advance the profit motives of the business entities involved, whether they be narco-trafficking organizations, or weapons manufacturers or government bureaucracies — and the aspiring, greedy careerists who inhabit their leadership ranks.
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Sky said:
Pavlich doesn’t just expose the Obama administration. She exposes the mainstream media for what they are: tools of the Democratic Party, and of the White House.
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Which got closed because of all the evil media bashing and the inevitable political speak....

So, what I would like as the Op for this thread, is for those of you who are interested in this matter please read the the links posted "but" regardless of how you feel on the subject after reading, just post either GOOD, BAD, OR THE UGLY!! ANYTHING ELSE AND IT WILL GET THIS CLOSED. I personally feel that F&F is something that had many levels which fall under the Good, Bad, and Ugly but we can not solve it here on this forum; consider this a thread for your information only
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The OP violates it's own premise regarding avoiding "evil media bashing and the inevitable political speak". That restriction seems more about being able to post statements like the ones quoted above without the fear of actually having to defend it against counterpoints.
 
The OP violates it's own premise regarding avoiding "evil media bashing and the inevitable political speak". That restriction seems more about being able to post statements like the ones quoted above without the fear of actually having to defend it against counterpoints.
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My friend those are not my statements but others who were there and are much more involved than (can not really speak for you but guess) and I will ever be. For those who are interested in this topic it allows one to gather information and weave some of the facts together to form their own opinion. The media bashing and political innuendo is what got the other thread closed. This is not about either especially considering that it is the media that is providing the links. Free country and by all means believe what you will, but that was not the purpose of reintroducing the thread. You can always write those who wrote the articles and show them the errors of their ways.

I actually thought long and hard before I brought the subject up again simply because it is so distasteful and much easier for me to act like nothing ever happened as ?some? would have us do. But I tend to bite down and not let go even though it would be smarter on my part "no doubt".

Good; agents trying to do what they are told and some trying to give warnings to stop
Bad; plan especially with regards to how it was carried out
Ugly; will be with us for a long time based on the deaths, past, present, and future.

This is but one small ice cube on top of an iceberg once you really start digging about guns going across the boarder and all that has transpired. But that is just how I weave the story together....it is very hard to know the truth one way or the other.
 
Heard on a podcast today - the speaker was (the?) one that has been leading the reporting on this issue (can't recall his name):
1. He says he has it on good authority that Holder will be charged with contempt of Congress within the next two weeks.
2. The night before he's charged, he'll release documents which he has up to this point refused to release.

Guess we'll see?
 
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/26/obama-admin-let-grenades-walk-in-fast-and-furious-documents-show/ Grenades

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“Even in a post blast, as long as the safety lever is recovered we will be able to identify these tagged grenades,” an official wrote in one email.

In addition to those revelations, new evidence photos have emerged: More than 2,000 rounds of ammunition and scores of grenade parts and fuse assemblies are seen in evidence photos that were just turned over to Congress. According to Attkisson’s report, officials had taken Kingery into custody in 2010 — long before Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered with a Fast and Furious-supplied gun — after having caught him trying to transport that ammunition and those grenade parts and fuse assemblies into Mexico hidden inside the spare tire of the SUV he was travelling in.

Attkisson said that ATF agents questioned Kingery at that point but then “inexplicably released” him.

Internally, some in the ATF objected to these practices. For instance, ATF’s Mexico attaché, Carlos Canino — who has cooperated with congressional investigators and appeared willingly before the House Oversight Committee last summer — said ATF was not supposed to allow weapons, including grenades, to walk.

“We are forbidden from doing that type of activity,” Canino wrote in one email. “If ICE is telling you they can do that, they are full of <deleted>.”
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Is Olie North involved?
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I could say some things never change just the actors; but I won't and would probably be unfair. It is just a bad situation and hopefully the truth will come out and, those who believe a lie or cover up is as good as the truth will find out the error of their ways.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...on-against-eric-holder-over-fast-and-furious/

CBS News) -- House Republicans investigating the Fast and Furious scandal plan to pursue a contempt citation against Attorney General Eric Holder, senior congressional aides told CBS News.

The resolution will accuse Holder and his Justice Department of obstructing the congressional probe into the allegations that the government let thousands of weapons fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.
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http://traffic.outbrain.com/network...ub=744&prs=true&scp=false&version=56496&idx=3

saying federal prosecutors blocked any efforts to arrest the suspected illegal buyers or to seize the guns before they reached Mexico.

They argued that from September 2009 until June 2010, the prosecutors told the bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents running the investigation they did not have probable cause to arrest the people buying the weapons or to seize the guns.
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I'm confident that any documents of any material value has long since been "sanitized".
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Is this going to be the reason that people will refuse to accept the results of the Congressional investigation if it doesn't match with their prejudices?
 
Is this going to be the reason that people will refuse to accept the results of the Congressional investigation if it doesn't match with their prejudices?
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That is actually a good point. Let us hope the docs and proof just present the facts and let the chips fall where they may....
 
http://www.nramedia.org/t/549033/6565905/13939/0/

Feinstein and Sugarmann have to rely on misleading headlines because the data don’t support their agendas. Between 2007 and 2011, only 27.8 percent of the firearms for which traces were sought could be traced to U.S
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What many seem to overlook.
The dollar value of U.S. private-sector weapons shipments to Mexico in fiscal year 2009 exceeded the value of private arms shipments to two other major conflict regions elsewhere in the world, Iraq and Afghanistan, and even outpaced the value of arms shipped to one of the United States’ staunchest allies, Israel.
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"I'm confident that any documents of any material value has long since been "sanitized"."

yes. the latest FOIA release was a joke.

Redactions make it look like swiss cheese, hit with 00 buck.

GSA must have over-allocated for DOJ/BATFE shredders, too.
 
Is this going to be the reason that people will refuse to accept the results of the Congressional investigation if it doesn't match with their prejudices?
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Far more likely, if it makes the irretrievably corrupt BATFE and this administration look only half as guilty as they truly are, the defenders of Holder and the BATFE will blame it on everything from an international Zionist conspiracy to gray aliens.

The defenders of the BATFE remind me of nothing so much as Pat Buchanan trying to blame the Holocaust on Winston Churchill.
 
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