onlinebiker
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I would have offered the guy a few lead paint chips to go with his burger....
From the sound of it - he'd eaten more than a few as a kid....
From the sound of it - he'd eaten more than a few as a kid....
Some people do not belong on the range
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yenchisks
Guess I'll be the "nosey bizzy body" here.
If you want to fling insults in THR, please be sure to address them so we know whom you mean. It makes the job of the moderators easier as they toss you off the board.
Bart Noir
Guess I'll be the "nosey bizzy body" here.
If you want to fling insults in THR, please be sure to address them so we know whom you mean. It makes the job of the moderators easier as they toss you off the board.
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Once I ate sunflower seeds at my club's outdoor range. But nobody was around. A hamburger would be... nasty. Then again, I prefer to shoot when nobody else is around, so I like to hit up the range early in the mornings. I figure this way, I dont have to worry about anyone else being unsafe or seeing what a horrible shot I am.
And some folks shouldnt be allowed to own a gun either IMO but you will never convince others on that one either.
+1 for calling the cops......you never know..........
I have learned over the years that some folks at a gun range are thick headed idiots and no matter what you say or do they in their own mind will always be right. Public ranges seem to be magnents for these types. I only say that because I have had more encounters with these type folks than any other place(ie marinas car shows ect ect)
I choose to ignore minor offences like eating-drinking on the line that is until their drink gets spilled and food wrapers end up on the ground.
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"And some folks shouldnt be allowed to own a gun either IMO but you will never convince others on that one either.
+1 for calling the cops......you never know.........."
After being driven from the range(where he paid 15 dollars an hour to shoot a few rounds) by overly helpful patrons and range officers the guy was in the parking lot bitching to his buddy. Is that against the law?
I'm still curious, how did we determine eating at the range needed the attention of the local PD?
+1 for calling the cops......you never know.........."
After being driven from the range(where he paid 15 dollars an hour to shoot a few rounds) by overly helpful patrons and range officers the guy was in the parking lot bitching to his buddy. Is that against the law?
I'm still curious, how did we determine eating at the range needed the attention of the local PD?
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Well, no, not exactly. I wouldn't go so far as to say the OP was wrong, but I will mention that I've had pretty good luck minding my own business, even when I see fellow grown-ups doing things that I wouldn't do myself. YMMV, of course.
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Boy, you really don't get it. A few years ago I was at a rifle range and I saw someone smoking a cigarette. Being as I am my brother's keeper, I marched right up to him and lectured him on the dangers of tobacco. He didn't seem to understand that it was for his own good, and he told me to go away. (The nerve of some people...)
Anyway, I did my duty and reported it to the R.O., who called in the National Guard, natch. I understand that fellow has since been re-educated and allowed back into society as a productive member.
So I really feel like I helped a brother in the shooting fraternity.
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LMAO, .38 special.
I don't see why anyone would feel motivated to approach someone else about eating at a range unless that person was posing a danger to other people. Calling the cops for pointing you out was WAY overboard. It's not against the law to point someone out, I bet the cops were shaking their heads after they left. I'm suprised so many people say you conducted yourself properly by calling the cops on someone that pointed you out.
I don't see why anyone would feel motivated to approach someone else about eating at a range unless that person was posing a danger to other people. Calling the cops for pointing you out was WAY overboard. It's not against the law to point someone out, I bet the cops were shaking their heads after they left. I'm suprised so many people say you conducted yourself properly by calling the cops on someone that pointed you out.
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To those of you who disagree that guns can make people stupid...
To clarify,
Guns have an amazing effect on those who don't have much experience with them. You go from feeling powerless to feeling like Superman. Like you have the Magic Talisman that will protect you and wreak vengeance on your enemies. Much like too much alcohol makes you feel like you can whup every man in the house.
While not true, this is certainly how some people feel. I know its how I felt. It took rigorous training and research to awaken me to the epiphany of guns as mere tools. It appears to me that this is the case of the Gun Range Gourmet.
Guns CAN make people stupid. Alcohol can make stupid. Posting anonymously on the internet can make people stupid. Its all in how you use what you're given.
To clarify,
Guns have an amazing effect on those who don't have much experience with them. You go from feeling powerless to feeling like Superman. Like you have the Magic Talisman that will protect you and wreak vengeance on your enemies. Much like too much alcohol makes you feel like you can whup every man in the house.
While not true, this is certainly how some people feel. I know its how I felt. It took rigorous training and research to awaken me to the epiphany of guns as mere tools. It appears to me that this is the case of the Gun Range Gourmet.
Guns CAN make people stupid. Alcohol can make stupid. Posting anonymously on the internet can make people stupid. Its all in how you use what you're given.
The dangers of smoking cigarettes are well known, not as many shooters are as aware of the dangers of lead in the air at a range. Many range owners and employees even seem ignorant about it.
[qutoe]I don't see why anyone would feel motivated to approach someone else about eating at a range unless that person was posing a danger to other people.[/quote]
Is it that strange to try to point out a health hazard to a person that very well might not know about it even if they are a stranger? Is the idea of caring about other in the world that dead that we can't even fathom why anyone would do such a thing?
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Walking up to a stranger like that netted a response exactly as I would expect. It's not caring, it's fricken nosy. It's up to the club to enforce their rules that do not affect anyone else. There are already enough people, like peta, bothering everyone telling us what's good for us. One lone busybody walking up may catch the flack for all of them. I wouldn't be eating in that situation, but if someone walked up to me to point out something "not good for me" I would tell them where to stick it.
What was the health hazard of the guy in the parking lot? Cops should only be called when someone breaks the law, pointing someone out is not breaking the law.
What was the health hazard of the guy in the parking lot? Cops should only be called when someone breaks the law, pointing someone out is not breaking the law.
XD Fan
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Aside from th health risk, I would think that the potential of him leaving grease and condiments on shared range equipment (i.e. bench rests) would justifiy the rule and enforcement of such a rule.
Lonegunman, replacing letters with random symbols does not make your language high road.
Lonegunman, replacing letters with random symbols does not make your language high road.
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The line between "caring" and "butting in" is exceedingly fine. I always try to err on the side of "He's a grown-up; he knows what he's doing". To err on the other side can actually be pretty insulting, if you look at from the POV of the fellow who's being lectured.
And again, I'm not really trying to say that there was definitely something wrong with telling the guy he shouldn't eat inside the range. I just want to point out that it's not as perfectly clear-cut as some seem to think.
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At a local range, my brother and I were at the "plinking range" shooting at cardboard boxes with those Shoot-N-See stick-on targets on them when a bunch of guys, mostly law enforcement came up from the "action pistol range" so one of them could show off his new select-fire SIG .223 carbine. (The plinking range is the only one in the complex where full-auto is allowed.) They were having a great time spraying rounds down range and brass down the firing line until they shot up our boxes. I saw the look on my brother's face (kinda purplish) and called "Cease fire!" It took a few bellows to get their attention and get them to stop shooting. I got some incredulous looks from them when I explained why I called a cease fire and informed them that they were as welcome to shoot there as anyone else, but that they were supposed to bring their own targets, not shoot up other peoples'. When they started telling me that they were lawmen and just demonstrating a new rifle to other cops, I asked them when being lawmen justified rude behavior. I asked if they had any Shoot-N-See targets to replace the ones the shot up and got laughed at. I then identified myself as "Captain _____, Retired," and asked for their agencies, badge numbers, supervisors' names, and their membership numbers for the gun club. There were some red faces and stammering right up until one of the guys dug into his range bag, found some Shoot-N-See targets and apologized. The full-auto guys packed up and left right after that. It took a while for my brother to "depurple-ize" though.
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Ah yes, the old "the potential that they may posibly leave a mess" argument. Sounds a lot like the old "they shouldn't be able to own guns because of the potential to possibly shoot someone" argument.
People should not be ablle to bring oil to put on their guns as that has the potential of making a bigger mess.
Exactly and calling the cops afterward is far from it.
Waywatcher
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I'm not the only one who thinks you should mind your own business.
He was breaking the rules, sure. You were being a tattle tale.
If he had his kid there eating it'd be a completely different story and understandable.
I think you were in the wrong and should have left him alone--he wasn't hurting you in any way shape or form.
He was breaking the rules, sure. You were being a tattle tale.
If he had his kid there eating it'd be a completely different story and understandable.
I think you were in the wrong and should have left him alone--he wasn't hurting you in any way shape or form.
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Revo-guy,
IMHO it sounds like it was handled properly. Some people, including members of this forum (^), are always looking to pick a fight.
IMHO it sounds like it was handled properly. Some people, including members of this forum (^), are always looking to pick a fight.
Mr. Rev.
Nice of you to try to help out someone. Seems some people won't be helped.
To make such a big deal out of some thing like being told not to eat on the range that screams UNSTABLE to me.
Good call calling the cops too, with someone that sensitive you never know what they will do. The fact that he was still in the parking lot after he stormed out of the place is very suspicious.
Nice job avoiding a potentially dangerous situation.
And to LOANGUNMAN, the fact that you feel the need to try to flame Mr. Rev over this by twisting the facts or by just making things up makes me wonder where you are coming from.
Not very THR of you at all.
This is not that type of forum, if you just want to pick a fight you should go some place else.
Nice of you to try to help out someone. Seems some people won't be helped.
To make such a big deal out of some thing like being told not to eat on the range that screams UNSTABLE to me.
Good call calling the cops too, with someone that sensitive you never know what they will do. The fact that he was still in the parking lot after he stormed out of the place is very suspicious.
Nice job avoiding a potentially dangerous situation.
And to LOANGUNMAN, the fact that you feel the need to try to flame Mr. Rev over this by twisting the facts or by just making things up makes me wonder where you are coming from.
Not very THR of you at all.
This is not that type of forum, if you just want to pick a fight you should go some place else.
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I too think that you handled it well. You have obviously been trained to deal with people and handle confrontations, so who are we to judge you? I don't see anything out of line at all in even the slightest way. I would take all of the criticsim with a grain of salt and consider the source.
The bullet holes that are normally directly above me at most ranges that I have been to scare the heck out of me. I always try to get a lane next to the wall at the range as it seem to me to be a safer spot and I only have to keep an eye on folks on one side of me.
The bullet holes that are normally directly above me at most ranges that I have been to scare the heck out of me. I always try to get a lane next to the wall at the range as it seem to me to be a safer spot and I only have to keep an eye on folks on one side of me.
Wow, it's absolutely frightening the people defending the moron.
People have a right to take whatever risks they so desire.
They don't have a right to take whatever risks they desire IN MY HOUSE.
Mr. Revolverguy is a member of the range (has a personal stake in the care of that range) and pointed out to a visitor that he was breaking the rules. He tried to do it in a polite way. When someone with authority pointed out the rules, the moron threw a fit and left.
Rational people, when they discover they are breaking a rule apologize and try to rectify it. Rational people don't act like 2 year olds when told the rules to which they agreed.
Apparently their are a lot of irrational people on this board who support throwing a fit.
People have a right to take whatever risks they so desire.
They don't have a right to take whatever risks they desire IN MY HOUSE.
Mr. Revolverguy is a member of the range (has a personal stake in the care of that range) and pointed out to a visitor that he was breaking the rules. He tried to do it in a polite way. When someone with authority pointed out the rules, the moron threw a fit and left.
Rational people, when they discover they are breaking a rule apologize and try to rectify it. Rational people don't act like 2 year olds when told the rules to which they agreed.
Apparently their are a lot of irrational people on this board who support throwing a fit.
CountGlockula
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Great job Mr. Rev!
Those that work at indoor/outdoor ranges appreciate well educated shooters like you, because most Range Safety Officer can't see EVERYTHING that happens in the range. And you've made their job easier by enforcing the rules to incompetant shooters.
One thing about RSOs folks, is that they're doing their job to the best of their abilities. 85%-95% customer service and 15%-5% BSing with shooters. I wish it was the other way around, but rules need to be enforced; and if we have more examples like Mr. Rev-who respect the range rules and being courteous to others around him, shooting ranges would be much more of a pleasant place to be at.
Those that work at indoor/outdoor ranges appreciate well educated shooters like you, because most Range Safety Officer can't see EVERYTHING that happens in the range. And you've made their job easier by enforcing the rules to incompetant shooters.
One thing about RSOs folks, is that they're doing their job to the best of their abilities. 85%-95% customer service and 15%-5% BSing with shooters. I wish it was the other way around, but rules need to be enforced; and if we have more examples like Mr. Rev-who respect the range rules and being courteous to others around him, shooting ranges would be much more of a pleasant place to be at.
PaulV
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I just wanted to point out to you that you can't keep the action of an AK open unless you are forcefully holding it open with your hand.
NickEllis
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Wow.... reading comprehension? Try again.
Lessons learned:
Speech in a public location rises to such a high level of intrusion as to be equivalent to the commision of genocide ("range nazi"). Informing someone of a risk that they may not be aware of (one of the primary tools/tactics of progun persuasion) is unfriendly, unwelcome, and is best answered with belligerence. Informing your host that another guest is violating his posted rules isn't being a good guest or having manners, it's "tattling".
Speech in a public location rises to such a high level of intrusion as to be equivalent to the commision of genocide ("range nazi"). Informing someone of a risk that they may not be aware of (one of the primary tools/tactics of progun persuasion) is unfriendly, unwelcome, and is best answered with belligerence. Informing your host that another guest is violating his posted rules isn't being a good guest or having manners, it's "tattling".
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As I understand it:
Mr. Revolverguy saw someone new at the range, and decided to strike up a conversation. If I was the new guy at the range, I would appreciate the friendly response from the long-time members. It would make me very comfortable.
Mr. Revolverguy noticed him eating on the range, and gave the stranger a bit of advice on range safety. If I was the new guy, I would appreciate someone who's been there before pointing out a rule that I may not have been aware of. If I was starved, maybe I would respond by saying "Oh, I didn't think of that... I'll finish up real quick and keep it in mind for next time."
When the new guy returned the favor by being rude, Mr. Revolverguy apologised and walked away. I would have done the same as Revolverguy... no need to get into a p|$$ing match with a rude guy, especially a stranger when firearms are present.
The range officer noticed, and asked the stranger to eat elsewhere. The range officer is in charge, so do as they say. If he still didn't understand it, he could have asked why eating wasn't allowed.
The stranger threw a fit and left. It takes a lot more than the fair enforcement of an established safety rule to get me this upset.
Revolverguy goes to leave, and sees the guy outside waiting for him, and hears him point him out to a friend. Revolverguy then grows concerned, and goes back inside. I would have gone back inside, too. Maybe the rest of you would walk up to the guy and ask him "Ya got a problem, pal? Well... do ya?"
After discussing it, Revolverguy calls some friends in law enforcement to help him sort things out. Thats a prudent move. Revolverguy was being careful. The only other options available to him were to go back outside, and risk a confrontation, or stay in the range for the rest of his life.
Mr. Revolverguy saw someone new at the range, and decided to strike up a conversation. If I was the new guy at the range, I would appreciate the friendly response from the long-time members. It would make me very comfortable.
Mr. Revolverguy noticed him eating on the range, and gave the stranger a bit of advice on range safety. If I was the new guy, I would appreciate someone who's been there before pointing out a rule that I may not have been aware of. If I was starved, maybe I would respond by saying "Oh, I didn't think of that... I'll finish up real quick and keep it in mind for next time."
When the new guy returned the favor by being rude, Mr. Revolverguy apologised and walked away. I would have done the same as Revolverguy... no need to get into a p|$$ing match with a rude guy, especially a stranger when firearms are present.
The range officer noticed, and asked the stranger to eat elsewhere. The range officer is in charge, so do as they say. If he still didn't understand it, he could have asked why eating wasn't allowed.
The stranger threw a fit and left. It takes a lot more than the fair enforcement of an established safety rule to get me this upset.
Revolverguy goes to leave, and sees the guy outside waiting for him, and hears him point him out to a friend. Revolverguy then grows concerned, and goes back inside. I would have gone back inside, too. Maybe the rest of you would walk up to the guy and ask him "Ya got a problem, pal? Well... do ya?"
After discussing it, Revolverguy calls some friends in law enforcement to help him sort things out. Thats a prudent move. Revolverguy was being careful. The only other options available to him were to go back outside, and risk a confrontation, or stay in the range for the rest of his life.
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