Speer data for .357 gdhp 147 gn.

[Olevern]

Anyone here able to help with Speer data on the .357 147gn. gdhp? My latest Speer manual is the #12. I picked five boxes of these at closeout, dealer stated they were discontinued. Data probably in the 13 or 14 issues.
Thanks for any help you may be able to provide.
Olevern

 

[Ol` Joe]

That bullet is designed for the 9mm or 357 SIG and has no cannalure to crimp into. There is no data in any of the Speer manuals for it in the 357 mag, and I doubt it is a very good choice for your cartridge.
Also it is still in production or at least is listed on the Speer web site.

 

[joneb]

Speer once made a 146gr Speer Hollow point it was a SWC design, haven't seen any of those for while.
Like Ol' Joe said, you have the wrong bullet for your cartridge
If they measure .355" dia. that would confirm they are not for .357 mag.

 

[Olevern]

Speer .357 gold dot hollow point 147 gr.

The bullets I have are labeled .38 spl 147 gn .357 gold dot hollow point, thelabel also says Uni core and they do have a cannelure. They are not the old, now regretfully discontinued hpswc that you crimp over the jacket, used those for many years and now down to my last three boxes. I believe the Speer product number is #4016, as that is printed at the bottem left part of the label next to "100". I have quite a number of Speer manuels up to and including the #12, but they must have been listed and discontinued during the era of the #13 and #14 manuels, as none of the manuals I have list them.

 

[zxcvbob]

What powders do you have?

 

[Ol` Joe]

I`ve the Speer 10-14 and don`t see it listed in none them.
I`d call Speer and talk to one of their techs`@ 1-866-286-7436. Let us know what you find out, I`m curious about this bullet now.....

 

[Olevern]

powders on hand

suitable for the 357 mag. I have on hand:

1.) Unique
2.) 2400
3.) Herco
4.) Accurate #7
5.) Win. 231
6.) H-110
7.) H-4227
8.) Lil Gun
9.) Blue Dot
10) Win 630

I will call Speer and pose the question to them...let ya know what they say.

Olevern

 

[zxcvbob]

When I get home tonight (will be late) I'll see if I have that bullet listed in my database.

AA#7 should be a good powder. It's just like Blue Dot without the drama.

 

[zxcvbob]

I have Speer #4002, .355" 147 grain GDHP. Also #4205, .357" 146 grain JHP. They are only .010" different in length.

These are just predictions not necessarily based on good assumptions (so be careful), but the Bullseye, Unique, Herco, and AA#7 all look pretty good to me:

Cartridge          : .357 Magnum (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .355, 147, Speer HP GD 4002
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch or 40.39 mm
Barrel Length      : 5.5 inch or 139.7 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 32000 psi, or 220 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon Lil'Gun                    104.0     16.9     1.10    1431    79.8    32000   10124   0.522  
Hodgdon H110                       102.1     17.1     1.11    1390    73.0    32000    9227   0.534  
Alliant 2400                        91.2     13.5     0.88    1374    80.9    32000    8712   0.537  
Accurate No.7                       72.0     12.2     0.79    1367    90.3    32000    8339   0.538  
Alliant BLUE DOT                    93.1     11.9     0.77    1356    89.1    32000    8184   0.537  
Alliant HERCO                       85.6      8.4     0.54    1295   100.0    32000    6252   0.547  
Alliant UNIQUE                      75.8      7.7     0.50    1274   100.0    32000    5830   0.549  
Alliant BULLSEYE                    66.1      6.9     0.44    1265   100.0    32000    5675   0.539  
Winchester 231                      59.7      7.1     0.46    1195   100.0    32000    4667   0.553  
Hodgdon H4227                      105.0     15.0     0.98    1174    57.7    23611    6501   0.612

 

[Olevern]

zxcvbob
Thanks for the data. Not the same bullet as the 4016 is .357 not .355, but it will give me a starting place. Will also call this morning and see what Speer has to say.
vern

 

[Olevern]

mystery solved.

Finally got Speer tech support today (called two other days, left messages, no return call).
A very nice lady informed me that Speer had a load sheet developed for this bullet, but it had been introduced and then the decision made to drop it in such short order that it never made it into any Speer manual. She offered to email me the data for the 357 mag. so if anyone else runs into any of these bullets (product #4016) I would be glad to send a copy on to you or you can get it from Speer (if you can get ahold of them).
Thanks to those who attempted to help,
Olevern

 

[RadioactiveMarine]

This is from the Speer Suplemental Load Data Sheet from 2004:

147 grain .357" Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point
COAL 1.590"; BC = 0.153; SD = 0.165; Speer Part # 4016
Test Conditions
Case: Winchester
Primers: CCI® 500/550*
Test Firearm: S&W M19 revolver
Barrel: 6"; 1-18.75" twist

Propellant, Start Charge, Start Vel, MAX Charge, MAX Vel,

H110* 16.8, 1252, 17.8, 1317
Viht. N110 14.2, 1210, 14.8, 1299
296* 16.3, 1193, 17.3, 1282
AA #9 13.6, 1196, 14.6, 1268
2400 14.0, 1165, 15.0, 1221
AA #7 10.2, 1130, 11.2, 1212
Pwr Pistol® 8.0, 1098, 9.0, 1204
IMR 4227 16.2, 1052, 17.2, 1192
HS-7* 9.2, 1012, 10.2, 1122
charge wieghts in grains.
*—indicates CCI 550 MAGNUM primer used with this propellant