SunnySlopes
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I heard there were some problems with the Springfield Armory M1s that were made in the 90s/2000.
Anyone?
Anyone?
Springfield Armory M1
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I don't know about ones made over 10 years ago but the Scout Squad I recently purchased is very nice and the one my buddy bought a few years ago was fine too. IMHO one of the nicest .308 rifles you can purchase. My only complaint is the price of magazines.
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Not the M1A. The M1. As in Garand. I thought I remember reading about quality control issues.
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I have never heard of any problems other than that they weren't cost competitive with CMP. My father in law has one. I shot it once. It seemed like a nice Garand and didn't have any apparent problems.
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I own two M1 Garand's the second being in the date range your asking about. I have nothing but praise for the rifle, all I would like to be able to do is get one that I trained with in the 60's.
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There were plenty of QC problems. The guns were made using a cast receiver with a new barrel and new wood.
The rest of the parts were USED USGI that were refinished. Apparently these parts were not checked for wear before they were refinished and put on a rifle.
So many of these rifles would not function out of the box because of these worn out parts.
I have personally seen several that were screwed up. Some did not even work after two trips back to the factory. Do not buy one you can't test fire.
The rest of the parts were USED USGI that were refinished. Apparently these parts were not checked for wear before they were refinished and put on a rifle.
So many of these rifles would not function out of the box because of these worn out parts.
I have personally seen several that were screwed up. Some did not even work after two trips back to the factory. Do not buy one you can't test fire.
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Thanx myth. Appreciate it.
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What I have seen myself with some of these - some!
Spitting op rods off due to the combination of surplus rods and out of spec take down relief cuts on the receiver.
Bad rear sight mounting.
Poorly/incorrectly indexed barrel to the receiver.
Very worn trigger assembly components.
One had the rear of the receiver broken right off from the bolt tail striking the inside beyond what the receiver could tolerate - hell of a wake up for the shooter, that.
These days, CMP is hard if not impossible to beat.
Spitting op rods off due to the combination of surplus rods and out of spec take down relief cuts on the receiver.
Bad rear sight mounting.
Poorly/incorrectly indexed barrel to the receiver.
Very worn trigger assembly components.
One had the rear of the receiver broken right off from the bolt tail striking the inside beyond what the receiver could tolerate - hell of a wake up for the shooter, that.
These days, CMP is hard if not impossible to beat.
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Thanx guys. I was about to make an offer on one but remembered reading about some QC issues from that era.
I asked the owner about it and he got all prissy, like it was a totally inappropriate question. Plus, he never got around to actually answering the question.
I wanted to check with THR first.
I'm going to go ahead and get the CMP Garand.
I asked the owner about it and he got all prissy, like it was a totally inappropriate question. Plus, he never got around to actually answering the question.
I wanted to check with THR first.
I'm going to go ahead and get the CMP Garand.
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CMP= You get what you pay for +excellent customer service and problem resolution if you have one
Other sources= maybe + not so much, at higher prices
I found the choice pretty easy.
FH
Other sources= maybe + not so much, at higher prices
I found the choice pretty easy.
FH
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So many people bought these rifles thinking they were new.
When the problems started they soon found out their "new" rifle was made from 70 year old worn out parts.
People also bought these thinking that SA Inc actually made all those Garands for the US military.
Wrong again. SA Inc started life in the 1970's. They sold nothing to the US military.
The real Springfield Armory ceased to exist in the late 60's.
When the problems started they soon found out their "new" rifle was made from 70 year old worn out parts.
People also bought these thinking that SA Inc actually made all those Garands for the US military.
Wrong again. SA Inc started life in the 1970's. They sold nothing to the US military.
The real Springfield Armory ceased to exist in the late 60's.
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"Thanx guys. I was about to make an offer on one but remembered reading about some QC issues from that era."
How much does he want for it? They are not all bad. If it shoots well now and functions well now and it does not look like some kids with a big hammer put it togather it would be worth buying IF it is cheap. After all you are getting a new barrel and new wood.
How much does he want for it? They are not all bad. If it shoots well now and functions well now and it does not look like some kids with a big hammer put it togather it would be worth buying IF it is cheap. After all you are getting a new barrel and new wood.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I can get the "special" from CMP for 995. Check it out. It's fine.
His is $1100. I'd rather have something a little better (the "special") from a reputable source instead of the above.
The only plus for me was going to be that I would have his sooner than the CMP's. They're estimating 45 to 90 days. I guess I'll just have to wait.
I can get the "special" from CMP for 995. Check it out. It's fine.
His is $1100. I'd rather have something a little better (the "special") from a reputable source instead of the above.
The only plus for me was going to be that I would have his sooner than the CMP's. They're estimating 45 to 90 days. I guess I'll just have to wait.
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The CMP also stands behind the product they sell. I got a Service grade back when a service grade cost $400.00. Yeah, it's been a year or two.
The barrel was dated in 50 with the receiver from 44. There was some light brown substance in the barrel which I could not remove. I contacted the gun smith’s at the CMP and was told they could screw on a 60’s barrel which generality had better rifling.
I felt the rifle could have been used in Korea and the GI did not clean the rifle very well, hence the junk in the barrel. But I needed a John C. Garand match shooter. The shooter won after yet another 1k (kidding) of patches down the tube. Still didn’t shoot well and still made lots of copper.
I sent the rifle less wood back to the CMP for $19.95. A few weeks later the rifle returns with a new barrel, looked unfired, a new op rod, trigger group, bolt and front sight. They kept all the parts SA which I thought was good of them. Total cost was $19.95 for shipping to the CMP. The rifle shoots V/good as expected. It’s the best $19.95 I’ve spent so far…….
The barrel was dated in 50 with the receiver from 44. There was some light brown substance in the barrel which I could not remove. I contacted the gun smith’s at the CMP and was told they could screw on a 60’s barrel which generality had better rifling.
I felt the rifle could have been used in Korea and the GI did not clean the rifle very well, hence the junk in the barrel. But I needed a John C. Garand match shooter. The shooter won after yet another 1k (kidding) of patches down the tube. Still didn’t shoot well and still made lots of copper.
I sent the rifle less wood back to the CMP for $19.95. A few weeks later the rifle returns with a new barrel, looked unfired, a new op rod, trigger group, bolt and front sight. They kept all the parts SA which I thought was good of them. Total cost was $19.95 for shipping to the CMP. The rifle shoots V/good as expected. It’s the best $19.95 I’ve spent so far…….
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"His is $1100."
You should have laughed in his face. That is ridiculous. It is worth about half that IF it works.
The CMP special is a MUCH better rifle in every possible way. Even a service grade is a better rifle and in many cases a field grade is better.
But some people would buy the SA Inc junk because it "looks" nice.
You should have laughed in his face. That is ridiculous. It is worth about half that IF it works.
The CMP special is a MUCH better rifle in every possible way. Even a service grade is a better rifle and in many cases a field grade is better.
But some people would buy the SA Inc junk because it "looks" nice.
Myth Buster is telling the truth about SOME of the M1 Garand copies that Spring Inc. sold
Some used a mishmash of poorly fitted parts and some were assembled correctly.
I don't think they gaged or function checked anything with gages, they just shoved parts together and hoped for the best.
Of course, I can make the same claim for some of the newer M1As they have been selling as well.
Some used a mishmash of poorly fitted parts and some were assembled correctly.
I don't think they gaged or function checked anything with gages, they just shoved parts together and hoped for the best.
Of course, I can make the same claim for some of the newer M1As they have been selling as well.
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He also hit on a very significant point regarding appearance as well. IIRC the poorly assembled ones fairly SCREAM out at you to walk away with very apparent mis-steps in component selection and assembly.Myth Buster is telling the truth about SOME of the M1 Garand copies that Spring Inc. sold
Some used a mishmash of poorly fitted parts and some were assembled correctly.
I don't think they gaged or function checked anything with gages, they just shoved parts together and hoped for the best.
Of course, I can make the same claim for some of the newer M1As they have been selling as well.
I have a SA National Match Garand that was built back in the '50s and it's a nice shooter, never considered one of the newer SA Inc clones because of their bad QA reputation.
As suggested above, I'd go with the real deal to get a quality product.
As suggested above, I'd go with the real deal to get a quality product.
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"I don't think they gaged or function checked anything with gages, they just shoved parts together and hoped for the best."
They claim they test fired each of these with one clip of M-2 ball before they left the factory. BS!!!!
I seen two that left the factory with such badly worn gas cylinders and OP rod pistons they would not even start to cycle.
They is no way these two rifles functioned at the factory unless they worked the action each shot. But considering the condition some of these were in the workers testing them and building them did not know they were supposed to be semi automatic.
They claim they test fired each of these with one clip of M-2 ball before they left the factory. BS!!!!
I seen two that left the factory with such badly worn gas cylinders and OP rod pistons they would not even start to cycle.
They is no way these two rifles functioned at the factory unless they worked the action each shot. But considering the condition some of these were in the workers testing them and building them did not know they were supposed to be semi automatic.
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"Of course, I can make the same claim for some of the newer M1As they have been selling as well."
Oh yes. Their QC is still terrible.
Oh yes. Their QC is still terrible.
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Get a CMP M-1 instead.
The bona fide USGI is tried and true.
The bona fide USGI is tried and true.
"their quality control is still terrible."
My most-recent M1A was made in 2005. My FIRST ones were made in 1980, and other folks wanted them so badly that I took pity and sold them.
The newest one is a "loaded" walnut/steel M9222 (I think). It now has over SEVEN THOUSAND rounds down the barrel, and over six thousand of those were cast bullets.
It feeds ANY bullet shape I've yet tried, and works at bullet velocities from 1300 fps to full-power 168 Matchking loads. Given any sort of rationally-marginal low-pressure loading, it WILL function.
Its accuracy is also impeccable. My "standard" 168 Matchkings will print five in an inch or less at 100 yards...with IRON sights. I have one cast-bullet load that groups TEN bullets in 0.60" at 50 yards....this is no small accomplishment.
But...."Their quality control is still terrible".....
Out-of-the-box, I haven't touched thing except to replace the spring guide with a Sadlak unit; that was just because I found one at a gun-show. The trigger, as-issued, is just fine for my purposes.
My most-recent M1A was made in 2005. My FIRST ones were made in 1980, and other folks wanted them so badly that I took pity and sold them.
The newest one is a "loaded" walnut/steel M9222 (I think). It now has over SEVEN THOUSAND rounds down the barrel, and over six thousand of those were cast bullets.
It feeds ANY bullet shape I've yet tried, and works at bullet velocities from 1300 fps to full-power 168 Matchking loads. Given any sort of rationally-marginal low-pressure loading, it WILL function.
Its accuracy is also impeccable. My "standard" 168 Matchkings will print five in an inch or less at 100 yards...with IRON sights. I have one cast-bullet load that groups TEN bullets in 0.60" at 50 yards....this is no small accomplishment.
But...."Their quality control is still terrible".....
Out-of-the-box, I haven't touched thing except to replace the spring guide with a Sadlak unit; that was just because I found one at a gun-show. The trigger, as-issued, is just fine for my purposes.
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Quality control problems mean that SOME not ALL have problems. No one said YOURS was bad. No one said they were ALL bad.
The problem rifles are not "Internet rumors". They exist. It is true no matter if you personally own 20 of them that are perfect.
The problem rifles are not "Internet rumors". They exist. It is true no matter if you personally own 20 of them that are perfect.
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