"...spy device will cut drivers? speed by satellite"

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Note that they don't even include a "But privacy advocates are concerned that...(invasion of privacy, etc.)" or similar dissenting view.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1678707,00.html


July 03, 2005

Forget cameras - spy device will cut drivers? speed by satellite
Dipesh Gadher, Transport Correspondent


IT IS the ultimate back seat driver. Motorists face having their cars fitted with a ?spy? device that stops speeding.

The satellite-based system will monitor the speed limit and apply the brakes or cut out the accelerator if the driver tries to exceed it. A government-funded trial has concluded that the scheme promotes safer driving.

Drivers in London could be among the first to have the ?speed spy? devices fitted. They would be offered a discount on the congestion charge if they use the system.

The move follows a six-month trial in Leeds using 20 modified Skoda Fabias, which found that volunteer drivers paid more attention as well keeping to the speed limit. More than 1,000 lives a year could be saved if the system was fitted to all Britain?s cars, say academics at Leeds University, who ran the trial on behalf of the Department for Transport (DfT).

It is part of a two-year research project into ?intelligent speed adaptation? (ISA), which the department is funding at a cost of £2m. Results of the initial trial will be presented to ministers this week.

A study commissioned by London?s transport planners has recommended that motorists who install it should be rewarded with a discount on the congestion charge, which tomorrow rises to £8 a day.

The trial Skodas were fitted with a black box containing a digital map identifying the speed limits of every stretch of road in Leeds. A satellite positioning system tracked the cars? locations.

The device compared the car?s speed with the local limit ? displayed on the dashboard ? and sent a signal to the accelerator or brake pedal to slow if it was too fast. The system can be overridden to avoid a hazard.

?The trials have been incredibly successful,? said Oliver Carsten, project leader and professor of transport safety at Leeds University.

The DfT says it has no plans to make speed limiters mandatory but admits that it is considering creating a digital map of all Britain?s roads which would pave the way for a national ISA system.

Edmund King, of the RAC Foundation, said limiters might make motorists less alert: ?If you take too much control away the driver could switch on to autopilot.?
 
good call HV.

I have the same concerns about air bags and anti lock brakes.

If an air bag punches me in the nose while im still trying to control a disabled vehicle what happens.

And there are times when i want to break my tires loose with the brakes.

An example, i once avoided getting t-boned by a women by hitting the brakes and turning in a manner that got the back of my car to come around. i basically swung my car out of her way. worked like a charm.

Then Bo and i took general lee out and got a beer. (ok, that parts a lie)

This is creepy, if this goes into effect ill be getting a horse.

Do they come with gun racks?

Seriously, some of us dont need the governments help driving. We're big kids, we can do it ourselves.
 
Great. This will be a lot less funny the first time somebody gets squished between two semis because he couldn't accelerate out of the way.
:banghead:
 
I wonder how many people will die because they weren't able to accelerate to get out of trouble because they'd go over the speed limit.
Whatever the number, it's miniscule compared to the lives saved by the satellite system. You understand that it's for the common good, and individual concerns are of no importance. Besides, most people are helpless halfwits who need to be controlled.

That's the way they think. Really.
 
Heh...

I was living out in BFE awhile back, and one of my roomates decided to end it: took a BIG bottle of pills, downed it with an equally big bottle of Jack, left an note and walked out into a cornfield. We read the note, found the roomie, and did close to double the speed limit all the way to the hospital...


Wouldn't having that device installed on my truck at the time have been a GREAT thing?
 
Come on guys

Its for the children!!! If it only saves one childs life it will be worth it.

Instead of an expensive gps system all cars should have a device that keeps them from going more than 30 mph. No one but the police and military (and important people) need to drive faster than 30 mph. The device can be unlock by the police as you enter an interstate and relocked as you exit. Come to think of it guns can have the same type of lock installed. The police can unlock it for you before you go hunting and relock when you are done. No one needs an unlocked gun except when hunting, right. :evil:
 
Is it me, or is Britian turning into a big kindergarten? First guns banned, now they want knives & fake guns banned, and now a governer on the car :barf:

What the hell is a "professor of transport safety" anyway??
 
I wonder if this will make driving easier – steer and keep the petal to the metal except when the foot is on the brake for stop lights. The gas petal becomes a toggle switch- all the way on or off

Can I get one for my teenager????
 
I think secamp32 might be on to something very chilling :uhoh: . Who knows, maybe in a few years, all guns will only unlock upon entrance to special "free-fire" areas, such as designated hunting grounds and shooting ranges. Or maybe the guns will be locked down when not loaded with serialized bullets (a la the whole CA thing, different thread) :scrutiny: . Then, once again, only the police and the military will be able to use their equipment in any given scenario--because hey, if nobody's guns work, there should be no need for self-defence, right :confused: :uhoh: :what: ?

If this apocolyptic prophesy comes true, I'm going to be flying over the speed limit in an old vehicle, firing off as many unserialized rounds as possible before the aliens come :D .
 
Not-so-Great Britian can keep it.

I seriously doubt that we'll ever see that in place here...

What would they do without all of that revenue from traffic tickets?
 
We already have it here, it is called OnStar. All they have to do is add the necessary circuits to control the engine. Much as the gov't powerful enough to give you everything you want is powerful enough to take it away; the company that is powerful enough to unlock your car via satellite is powerful enough to lock you out of it. DO NOT BUY OR USE ONSTAR! Further, fleet truckers are already monitored for location and speed via GPS, not too much of a leap to add direct vehicle controls to that. Buy classic cars, fix them up and keep them running.
 
I'm wondering how they'll make this work on my '64 Caddy? or the '70? Or the 63 GMC? How about the '72 Buick? Oh, I know... No cars older than "X" years allowed on public roadways. EPA or DOT recommended this years ago... :fire:
 
I can honestly say it'll work as well on my 1911 as on my car.

They'll have a heck of a time making that work on my old TurboDiesel Volvo.

Mechanical injection pump wired right to the accelerator = no workie! No police "ignition disabling gun" crap will affect it either. It's easier to start a diesel than stop one! :evil:

Disabling a satellite, OTOH isn't all that hard... plenty illegal probably (who knows?), but not anywhere near impossible. :p
 
Boy, you people must really hate the children.

Didn't you read the article? This will help keep the citizens of Airstrip One safe and sound. Their self-appointed overseers even said so.
 
While I think this system is silly in the extreme, many of the points above are irrelevant because of the following fact:

The system can be overridden to avoid a hazard.
 
The lesson is simple...you are sheep. Your lot in life is to remain fat, happy and oblivious on the farm only to be sheared for your bounty. Your productive capacity is raped and taken from you in the form of taxes only to be served up as a fine sweater for someone else. In the meantime you will be controlled, subjugated and monitored every step of the way. Dare to resist and you will be crushed. Leave everything too your benevolent Sheperds...after all...they only want to protect the flock of dumb animals right? Welcome to the new feudalism, please enjoy your stay serf!!!!

Biometrics, DNA testing, ID microchips implanted under the skin, Cashless economy, National ID cards required for travel, banking, etc will all be the rule of the day in the world of the future.

Ironically...this kind of thing is coming out of England all the time...and England was of course home to George Orwell.

"But always — do not forget this, Winston — always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — for ever." O'Brien the party interrogator who breaks the spirit of the protagonist in 1984.

At the tender age of 30, I find that my heart already aches for the lives that my grandchildren will face.
 
Red Barchetta springs to mind....

My uncle has a country place, that no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm, before the motor law
And on sundays I elude the ’eyes’ and hop the turbine freight
To far outside the wire, where my white-haired uncle waits.

Jump to the ground
As the turbo slows to cross the borderline
Run like the wind,
As excitement shivers up and down my spine
Down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me, an old machine ---
For fifty-odd years
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream

I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car
A brilliant red barchetta, from a better, vanished time
I fire up the willing engine, responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel, I commit my weekly crime...

Wind in my hair ---
Shifting and drifting ---
Mechanical music ---
Adrenalin surge ---

Well-weathered leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware

Suddenly, ahead of me, across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air-car shoots towards me, two lanes wide
I spin around with shrieking tires, to run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley as another joins the chase

Drive like the wind
Straining the limits of machine and man
Laughing out loud
With fear and hope, I’ve got a desperate plan

At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded
At the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle
At the fireside...
 
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