Steyr M9 Question

[nero45acp]

I am not a gunsmith and what I don't know about firearms would fill a library.
This much I do know, the Steyr M9 fits my small hands like a glove, has been 100% reliable with over 2500 rounds thru it. Is very good for point shooting. Has very little felt recoil (very low bore axis) Is very, very nearly as accurate as a SIG 226ST that I use to own, and I can shoot it rapid fire much more accurately than any other handgun I've ever shot (I've been shooting almost 20 years). If it's DAO it has a darn fine trigger; if it's single action it has a ways to go before it can compare to my 1911's.
Having said all that, I use it primarily as a glove box gun, in condition three (loaded magazine inserted--no round chambered), not because I have any particular concern over it's design, I just prefer my car gun in condition three (my carry gun is a 1934 Colt Detective Special).
I have read all of the safety/design debates that Cornbread2 and tetchaje1 have had, and frankly I don't know who is correct, but I'm sure that they both have the best of intentions and I appreciate the info they bring to this debate.
As for me, I have never regretted purchasing the Steyr M9.




nero45acp

 

[cornbread2]

Those carry the Steyr with an empty chamber will never regret buying one.

They are accurate and reliable pistols that make very good range and game guns.

They are one of the best pin shooting and IDPA guns you can buy.

Everyone should try one. Most people will find they they shoot them very well.

They have a HUGE varaition in trigger pull. If you find a dealer that has several in stock try the trigger on all of them. Chances are you will find one with an very good trigger and you will also find one with a terrible trigger.

They all tend to get a little better after they are shot a while.

One of our local dealers has one with a trigger comparable to a good 1911.

They ALMOST made the perfect pistol.

 

[Echtermetzger]

Anyone seen the M-A1?

http://www.steyr-mannlicher.com/

This site has the new version of the M-Series. Apparently the M Series has been discontinued and will be supplanted by the M-A1. Hmmm, no wonder CDNN was selling the M series for a song.

If the AWB does sunset (all bets are off in an election year), then this will definitely be on my 'wanted' list.

 

[nero45acp]

WOW!!

I want one!!



nero45acp

 

[minnesota oldie]

And all of that had what to do with the original question that started this thread? NOTHING. If you want to answer someones question, do so, but don't go off on a rant.

 

[tetchaje1]

Cornbread2,
Some people will just never get it, and there is no use wasting bandwidth just to beat a dead horse. I found your comments amusing at first, but now I am tired of them. Your opinion on this subject just flies in the face of all of the drop and frisbee tests that the BATF performed on the gun prior to importation -- with a loaded chamber. Their engineers looked at the firing mechanism, just as I have, and they concluded that the action is DAO. The firing pin safety is a non-conventional design, and therefore people who are used to a conventional plunger-type FP safety feel uncomfortable with them. That is fine, and it is their choice. I bet it just chaps you, too, that I carry a Series-70 (OH THE HORROR!!! ) 1911 on a loaded chamber. After all, it is just an AD waiting to happen, as well...

Hopefully, we can see eye to eye on more important and pressing issues than the firing mechanism of the M-Series pistol. I'm sure that you and I would agree on 99% of all of the other subjects on this board and I hope our disagreement over this subject does not sour our interaction on other threads. I wish you and your family the best.

Tetchaje signing off of this thread...

 

[cornbread2]

It does not bother me at all to carry a series 70 1911 cocked and locked because the 1911 HAS internal safetys block the fall of the hammer.

The safety blocks the sear and also the fall of the hammer. The hammer has to push the safety to the off position before it can fall far enough to hit the primer. It also has a half cock or intercept notch to stop the fall of the hammer.

The 1911 has TWO systems to block the hammer fall IF the sear fails.

The Steyr has NONE.

 

[Flashpoint]

Let's talk about that M-A1.

To me it looks like they have changed the grip angle slightly and raised the bore axis up some. The only improvement is the accessory rail that I can see. I did notice on the web site that there are two different models, one with a manuel safety and one without. I don' t know why they did this because you can pop the safety up and act like it's not even there.

 

[aircarver]

I believe the initial question in this thread was answered by the people who said "So don't whack the magazine...."

I belive that if that BATF thinks this is a DAO pistol, it calls into question their basic competence in this matter.

 

[tetchaje1]

Drop the argument, folks.

 

[cornbread2]

AIRCARVER

The ATF has never been known for their firearms knowledge.

The average gun owner knows more than 99% of them ever will.

How can they or anyone else assume that a more or less FULLY COCKED pistol is a DA?

In all other cases a DA means a hammer or striker more or less at rest and the trigger pull serves a double action. It cocks the hammer or striker to the rear and releses it.

A single action only releases a already cocked hammer or striker.

The act of releasing a cocked hammer or striker can pull the hammer or striker SLIGHTLY more to the rear exactly as the trigger pull on a CZ or AR-15. The sear angle on the AR pulls the hammer back about 1/16 inch before it allows the hammer to fall. Same with the CZ.

No one would call the SA only CZ pistol or the AR-15 a double action because of this.

Why would the Steyr be called a DA because of 1mm ?

 

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. The arguing where we're getting into personalities and individuals rather than the topic needs to immediately stop or the thread will be locked.

Thanks.

 

[nero45acp]

The only issue I've ever had with the Steyr M9 was I felt thet the grip was a little too slick for wet/sweaty hands. It looks like the new grip on the M-A1 may address that.



nero45acp

 

[cornbread2]

I have a 100 yard rifle range beside my house. I use it for practice on my three position smallbore and dewar. I also use it for practice on my reduced course highpower.

I have a steel target that I sometimes use for practice in the standing position with my position rifle. It is the same size as the black on a NRA 50 yard smallbore rifle target. Just a hair under 4 inches.

I have a friend with a Steyr M-9 that his dealer just got from CDNN. He came by yesterday afternoon and asked to use my range to try out his new pistol.

I was busy at the time so I told him to go at it.

I heard him fire about three rounds and then I started to hear the rounds hit the steel target.

He was starting to ring it almost ever shot. I assumed he has walked up close to the target because he was never known to be able to hit ANYTHING. I needed to warn him that the 9mm is dangerous to shoot at steel at very close range.

I walked out to the range and he was hitting it from about 35 to 40 yards.

The Steyr HAS to be a magic pistol for HIM to hit anything smaller than a school bus at that range.

With every other pistol he has had in his life he would be lucky to hit it at 7 yards.

 

[aircarver]

The only issue I've ever had with the Steyr M9 was I felt thet the grip was a little too slick for wet/sweaty hands. It looks like the new grip on the M-A1 may address that

A Hogue Handall (innertube slice type slipon) might work for those altready owning an old model.