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Might not hurt to lay in a box or two of calibers that you don't have a gun to take. It could be someone's staff of life one day, or...in the event of an economic breakdown and/or unavailability of any type of ammunition...it could be bartered or traded for other goods. As Cooper once called it: "Ballistic Wampum.";)
 
I DID just buy a case of that .308 SA surplus. Close enough? :D

Then I also got some 6.5 x 50 Japanese coming and today I picked up a pound of Bullseye, 1,000 primers and 500 .45 LSWC heads.
 
No..

like Shumer, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy et al. Unfortunatly, Max Baucus of Montana will tow the line and be a good demorat when it comes down to helping the Demo leadership take away gun rights.
 
Just show a pic of Teddy, Nancy, Babs, Diane, and Chuckie smiling, with the legend "Buy Ammo." :D
 
Oleg,
Too many years ago I captioned a box of .45ACP ball ammo. You are welcome to use it if you should ever choose to. Folks liked the caption, and caption found itself stuck inside cabinet doors, reloading supplies, wherever.

Hoard Ammo
Defeat Tyranny
 
Eh? All its saying is you shouldn't be able to sell arms to terrorists and sponsor rogue regimes that support genocide. If the US is really worried it will fall into that category there is something rather more serious at issue. It does not effect the constitutional rights of US residents to own firearms and ammo, despite what the fearmongers would like you to believe.

Of course I am more worried about the Republicans under handedly putting in bans. With the Democrats people know what to look for, but the work to ban firearms and ammo by Nixon, Ford, Reagon, Bush Sr and Bush Jr usually always gets forgotten about.
 
Limey - I'd laugh if I had it in me! :scrutiny: Yeah, the UN REALLY cares about stopping genocides!

On the other hand, there are "non-state actors" who are GOOD GUYS - hence why the US opposed that part of the UN Small Arms treaty. I don't recall "rogue regime" being used as a term, simply any "NON-STATE ACTOR."

For that matter - wouldn't you and me be considered non-state actors? :confused:
 
They don't have to come in, just cut off the imports.
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I think China would veto that. No sales in the major market for the worlds economy. I don't think so. No ammo, no need for anything else. It would likely feed the domestic market, too.

Jerry
 
I think China would veto that. No sales in the major market for the worlds economy. I don't think so. No ammo, no need for anything else. It would likely feed the domestic market, too.
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China didn't veto it when Clinton restricted weapons sales, nor has China vetoed the ongoing weapons sales restrictions. Bought a new Norinco .45 lately? And I don't recall when was the last time I saw Chinese ammo. Russian, absolutely. But not Chinese.

The American small arms market is effectively a blip on the radar to the Chinese compared to the rest of their trade with the US. Their arms industry sells pretty much everything it can build in the rest of the world, so they wouldn't be hurt by a complete ban on arms/ammo sales to the US.
 
Read it again buzz. Any market attack can backfire and trigger a boycott on a wider market. People are already getting scared.

Jerry
 
Read it again buzz. Any market attack can backfire and trigger a boycott on a wider market. People are already getting scared.
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Americans are getting scared. The rest of the world is saying "sure, why not?"

The ultimate form of a UN gun ban will come on private ownership, not state ownership. The Chinese won't blink an eye at that.
 
Buzz, do you not understand, we ARE the market? No sales, or orders from US is bad news to even China.

Jerry
 
China didn't veto it when Clinton restricted weapons sales, nor has China vetoed the ongoing weapons sales restrictions. Bought a new Norinco .45 lately?
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Considering that if you buy a new Norinco product, the money goes directly to the PRC Red Army that our troops might be facing someday, that's one ban I've never minded.

Supporting communist state industries doesn't equal freemarket capitalism to me, and buying something that's part of American history like a 1911 from a blatantly communist, human-rights-abusing regime doesn't seem right at all.

And I don't recall when was the last time I saw Chinese ammo.
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I've heard it, at a range. Surplus. It sounded like *bang bang pow bang pow pow bang pow* ...nice quality control, there.
 
Buzz, do you not understand, we ARE the market? No sales, or orders from US is bad news to even China.

Jerry
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If memory serves, the US is a net exporter of military hardware. We do not purchase Chinese weapons systems at all.

Do you think that the US civilian market for the Chinese (which currently consists almost exclusively of copies of certain shotguns imported by companies other than Norinco) can match the sales of tens of thousands of AKs every year? Of fighter/attack aircraft? Of missiles and missile technology?

China probably makes more off Silkworm sales and support to Iran or selling weapons to Venezuela than it does from the American civilian market. As long as that isn't threatened, it won't have any problem in foregoing American sales and tossing the US into internal political strife from the repercussions of the ban.

So the only argument will be that the Chinese allowing the ban to take place will lead to a boycott of all Chinese products. How? Are there enough Americans who will take the time and effort to find non-Chinese products, or spend the additional cash to do so in order to make a political statement?

A few Americans decided to boycott France over its opposition. After we took Baghdad, we learned that the French were feeding intel directly to Hussein as to our intentions. The net result to the boycott was that after a while, it went away and everything is effectively back to normal.

Chinese support for this bill will lead to outrage on the boards, and not much else.
 
If memory serves, the US is a net exporter of military hardware. We do not purchase Chinese weapons systems at all.
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Tunnel vision. The WHOLE market, not mere weapons!
 
Just to play Devil's Advocate, but in theory the best way to cut off our ammo supply would be to sell us very inexpensive foreign ammunition. It is a pitfall of capitalism.

See, Capitalism is really the best distribution system. But governments can abuse it. If the Japanese want to ruin the electronics manufacturers in America they can abuse capitalism. The industry has high start-up costs, so they know once they get rid of a competitor they won't be coming back. So they produce TV's for $100, ship them to America and sell them for $50, and restrict the Japanese market for TVs so the prices are $300. This way they undersell all the American companies, and the Japanese people pay for it.

Ergo, if the UN really wanted to cut-off ammunition supply their best bet would be to flood the market with cheap foreign ammunition.
 
Ammo and quislings

Worry about the UN restricting ammo? I worry about our own government making it more and more difficult for American citizens to own firearms. A case in point is the whole idea of the state issuing a permit so a citizen can legally carry a firearm. I and many others believe the Second Ammendment to the Constitution is all one needs to purchase, own and carry firearms and ammunition. Apparently, I may be wrong as present day American citizens need to receive written permission from more and more states to avail themselves to the rights of the Second Ammendment.

So, I firmly believe the Quislings are consolidating their illegal control of firearms now. And, the firearms ownership hoops that we are now jumping through will get more and more difficult for law abiding citizens, and sadly, most citizens will welcome it as the Quislings also control most of the media.

The right to keep and bear arms is alive and well, just as long as you pay the fees(taxes) for the permit, take the required state mandated classes and only carry your firearm in the prescribed manner as permitted by the state.

The ultimate goal of our government is fewer and fewer citizens having their own firearms. Their plan is well on it's way to achieving this goal with more forms to fill out, more classes to take and more government bureaucrats granting us rights that they in reality have no right to grant as "We The People" already possess these rights as they were bestowed to us by the Supreme Being long before the US Constitution was even a thought in any of the original thirteen colonies.

I wish I was wrong about our government, but I have smelled the coffee for quite some time.:banghead:
 
Quisling, Vidkun


Quisling, Vidkun (kwiz'ling, Nor. vid'koon kvis'ling) [key], 1887–1945, Norwegian fascist leader. An army officer, he served as military attaché in Petrograd (1918–19) and Helsinki (1919–21) and later assisted Fridtjof Nansen in relief work in Russia. He was Norwegian minister of defense from 1931 to 1933. He then left the Agrarian party to found the fascist Nasjonal Samling [national unity] party. In 1940 he helped Germany prepare the conquest of Norway. Remaining at the head of the sole party permitted by the Germans, he was made premier in 1942. Despite his unpopularity and difficulties with his German masters and within his own party, he remained in power until May, 1945, when, after the Germans in Norway surrendered, he was arrested. He was convicted of high treason and shot. From his name came the word quisling, meaning traitor.
 
The current American commercial (private) market for the sale of firearms and ammuntion seems to be somewhat over estimated. Government military and the growing army of police agency contracts for just a dozen or so small countries represent a far greater piece of pie - let alone say that of twenty, thirty or more nations.

Add the factor of simplified single orders for thousands of arms of one type along with a couple of varieties of ammunition, easy shipment and distribution, tax collecting and paperwork, service support etc and corporations in any foreign country manufacturing firearms and ammunition are not going to be doing any weeping if the U.S. civilian market fades away.

The growing army of local/state and gov "police" agencies and organizations here in the U.S. and their demand for these items is being mirrored all over the global plantation. In one hundred and ninety-three other countries.

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My answer to the pop quiz question:
buy guns for which the ammo is made here:

12 ga - check
.38 spl - check
9 mm - check
.22 LR - check
.30-30 (next) - check

Yeah, I'm OK for now...

:uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :what: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:
 
Tunnel vision. The WHOLE market, not mere weapons!
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There is no way that this would evolve from import restrictions on ammo and weapons to an all out trade war. Not going to happen.

Mike
 
I and many others believe the Second Ammendment to the Constitution is all one needs to purchase, own and carry firearms and ammunition.
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You don't even need the Second Amendment... even before the Second Amendment came along, Americans had the natural right to keep and bear arms. There were a lot of gun owners in this country between 1783 and 1791. ;)
 
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