Store sold me a broken m1 carbine.

[longdayjake]

Today I went into a gunshop that is near my house just before closing time. I found a m1 carbine with a rock-ola receiver marked for $595. I figured it was a good deal even though I would have to put a new stock on it to make it look more original. From what I could tell someone named Bubba had cut off the bayonet lug probably to make it california legal plus the barrel band was for an inland and didn't fit quite right. It also had some plastic piece inserted in the side of the stock to make the stock fit tighter. I figured I could just put a new stock and heatshield on it and make it a nice original looking shooter. I took it home and took off the barrel band to check out the trigger group and gas system. Low and behold bubba had gotten his hands on the receiver as well. Here is a picture of the "fix" that bubba did on this rifle. All I can say is that I am really really mad that the shop would sell something like this without telling the buyer. Needless to say I will be taking it back first thing in the morning on monday.













Welded on rear sight!!!!!!! I should have seen that at the shop but I was excited to finally get a carbine.

 

[sturmgewehr667]

you can get a new bayonet lug. i had to get one for my auto ordinance synthetic side folder because they dont come with one

 

[longdayjake]

Yeah i wasnt worried about the bayonet lug but I am mad that I got a welded receiver.

 

[Millwright]

Caveat Emptor !!!

Like whores and shine cars, lots of things catch your eye.... >MW

 

[Hoppy590]

did you call them?

try to take it back tommorow and see if they will take it back.

Caveat Emptor !!!

theres a difference between Caveat Emptor and having fudge with product. sure the OP should have checked for it, but if it was known of by the shop, he should have been warned.

 

[Grassman]

You know what they say.......caveat emptor.

 

[MIgunguy]

I will be taking it back first thing in the morning on monday.


Let us know how it goes. Are you a regular customer? I assume you are, if they're close to your house and since this doesn't sound like your first gun. What's their reputation with customers, or treating / not treating people right? I wonder if they'll take it back... it may just go round and round on the used rack...

 

[Lone_Gunman]

sure the OP should have checked for it, but if it was known of by the shop, he should have been warned.

I bet the shop had no idea what the reciever looked like under the stock. Do you think they break down ever used gun they take in to look for defects???

I bet the shop will take it back, but I don't feel like you need to go in with an attitude and accuse them of selling you something defective.

A lot of this is your fault. If you don't know what you are doing, you ought not to buy used guns.

 

[longdayjake]

Let us know how it goes. Are you a regular customer? I assume you are, if they're close to your house and since this doesn't sound like your first gun. What's their reputation with customers, or treating / not treating people right? I wonder if they'll take it back... it may just go round and round on the used rack...

I have stuff that I buy online transfered to them so they should recognize me. I am pretty sure that if I speak to the owner that he would be okay with taking it back. I won't let them make me keep it though. If they don't want to take it back then I will probably file a small claims for the value of a rock-ola receiver and the cost to have a gunsmith move the barrel and gas system over to the new receiver. I really don't see it going that far though. The reason I am so upset is probably because I was so exited about it until I saw the work on the receiver and the weld spot on the trigger group.

 

[longdayjake]

A lot of this is your fault.

Yeah I know. I should have asked to see the receiver before I bought it.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Does the store make a claim that used guns are sold in working condition or as-is?

I can't imagine you would do well in small claims court.

 

[akodo]

me thinky you keepie

They may not have popped it open themselves. They may have popped it open, noted the bubbaizing, and priced it accordingly.

Apparenty you thought it was a bit of a good deal being that you were very hasty to buy it "I should have seen that at the shop but I was excited to finally get a carbine"

As these guns aren't that hard to come by provided you are willing to pay, I figure it was the price tag that did you in.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Yea, I kind of agree $595 for a Rock-ola should have raised some red flags in your mind. Taking the price into considereation, I would be a little embarassed to even go back and try to ask for my money back.

 

[rugerman07]

Looks like Bubba wasn't much of a gunsmith.

 

[jm]

Just buy from the CMP

Just buy a carbine from the CMP. You know it will work. The CMP makes you sign a paper that there no guarantees, but they literally have the best customer service of any organization I have ever dealt with.

$595 for a Rock-Ola should have been a big red warning flag. I think you will be stuck with it.

 

[hso]

Ignore the PM I sent. That weld would sour the deal.

 

[Mello]

I hope that the seller will refund your money.

Reading that you paid $595 and thought it was a good deal for a used 30 cal carbine, made me realize that I am out of touch with what the value is of my collection.

I bought a Universal 30 cal carbine some 25 or 30 years ago for around $90. I have no idea what any of my firearms are currently worth.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Your Univeral carbine is worth more than the $90 you piad, but probably not more then $250, unless you find a sucker who doesnt know what he is buying.

A Rock-Ola is another matter and a nice example would probably be $800 minimum.

 

[coyotewillie]

Apparently I'm in the minority here. I think the OP is well within his rights to be upset. "Red flags on the price"? How many posts have there been here about getting a "steal" somewhere? Or, "I about broke my wrist getting my wallet out"? This price might have been marked because of the obvious bayonet lug/stock issues. I've bought guns for 30+ years, I've never stripped one down yet at the shop, don't know/never heard of anyone else doing it either, other than someone checking parts pertaining to original vs armory rebuild. I have asked about headspace. But a welded receiver?? C'mon! You don't weld receivers. Sure, theres been a lot of posts of welded M1A and Garand receivers. And it's virtually everyones opinion that the owner/buyer got ripped off. And, they also feel its an extremely dangerous situation. Everything I've ever read on every gun site forum, if you have a welded receiver, then shoot it at your own risk! That said, chances are, the gunshop didn't know it was welded. I can not believe they would have sold it without telling the buyer about it, especially from a liability standpoint. "Caveat Emptor"? On used firearms, absolutely. But, NOT on a welded receiver! Greg

 

[longdayjake]

They may have popped it open, noted the bubbaizing, and priced it accordingly.

A rifle priced accordingly to the bubbizing would have been $100 and not $600.

 

[M2 Carbine]

When I buy a Carbine I pull off the stock.
It just takes a minute.

It's not easy to break a receiver and trigger housing like that. That gun was treated bad. I've had a LOT of Carbine parts break, including a receiver but I can't imagine how that break could happen.

Unless the dealer sold the gun "as is" I would take it back.


It also appears that the rear sight is too far to the right. If this where the gun is sighted in, there's more problems than meet the eye.

 

[HexHead]

I'm sure they have the ubiquitous "all firearms sales are final" policy. Hopefully they have something else you'd like at the store. An exchange request would probably be a lot easier than a refund.

 

[Animal Mother]

I would never buy a gun with a welded receiver, you have no idea of the damage done to the original heat treatment or the strength of the weld. If a shop sold me a gun with a welded receiver and did not inform me, perhaps because they hadn't seen it themselves, that is fine, but they had better expect that I will return the gun for a refund. If you buy used guns you take a risk, but you also take a risk when you sell used guns. I don't know of anyone who believes that a welded reciever on a firearm, with no knowledge of the quality of original welders work, would be a safe weapon. I think you have a reasonable expectation to have you money refunded and that the shop owner should honor your request.

 

[longdayjake]

I have bought hundreds of dollars of reloading equipment from them and I have had ar lowers transferred through them. If they really want to get rid of this gun it will cost them a whole lot more than the $600 they made on it from me in lost business. Not only will I never buy another gun from them, but since I am partially responsible for printing the membership cards to the local gun range others will definately know to be careful when dealing with them. I doubt it will come to that since I know the owner and he is a pretty standup guy.

 

[M2 Carbine]

I doubt it will come to that since I know the owner and he is a pretty standup guy.

More than likely the owner had no idea about the condition of the gun.
I know some shops just stick guns in the rack without ever looking closely at them.
I'm sure he will make it right.