Survival Knife

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I am making a just in case bag and I wanted to add a knife to it. What recommendations do people have for a survival type knife. I don't want to break the bank. I will also be including a hatchet and folding saw in my bag so I really just need it to cut reliably but not be so flimsy that it will break.

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Buck hatchet, a Leatherman SuperTool, and the Hoodlum with a 110/112 in the pouch thats on the sheath. perfect outdoorsman combo imo.

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Something with a steel blade that blows YOUR skirt up. I like the Multi tools suggestions. I wear one most of the time. Don't forget to plan on things to keep those tools sharp and not rusted. The collectors and experts on here will be discusted but you might consider an Aircrew survival knife, the old US issue on from our flight vests. Small relatively thick bowie style with leather washer handle and a big metal bolt nut for a pommel and two holes in the top of the cross guard. They tend to bend rather than break when missused as prybars and such. It was issued in a sturdy leather sheath with a shapening stone in a snapped pocket on the sheath. On most of the later ones I would find a replacement stone. I knew someone that kept a thiner stone in his with a section of file tucked in there.

I shall now duck and cover.

-kBob
 
Hard to beat a GI Camillus Mark 2 / Kabar.
Near indestructable, and you can sharpen it on a flat rock and shave with it if you have too.

rc
 
Cut Reliably

I really just need it to cut reliably but not be so flimsy that it will break.

Just off the top of my head . . . the Becker line (hso's suggestion), the ESEE line, and perhaps something from Ontario, are generally accepted as "heavy use" knives.

If you're already gonna have a saw and axe, then we could dispense with the "heavy duty" aspect and focus on decent quality and cutting.

In that department we have brands like Buck Knives (the 105 stands out as a practical size, the 119 is perhaps a little large), Mora -- which covers a wide range of prices, like from $12 to $150 -- which are legendary in the price-for-performance category. See Ragnar's Forge for a good survey of those, and (also on Ragnar's Forge) knives from Finland (e.g. Marttiini and Järvenpää) and Norway (Helle, Brusletto).

Buck also has a fairly broad range of styles if the traditional 102/105/119 styling is not to your liking (the Vanguard, for example, or the newer Buck/Hood Punk).


I'm making an assumption that you will always have a general purpose folding knife on your person in addition to whatever is in the bag. If that's not true, then it's perhaps wise to add a decent medium-to-heavy duty folder to the bag as well. There are a whole bunch of those out there: Spyderco, Buck, Benchmade, CRKT, Kershaw, and so on. But for now, I'm going to assume that, since you have your pants on, you also have a folding knife with you.


If I were shopping for an inexpensive but reliable fixed blade knife, my first choices would be Mora and Marttiini, with Mora a slight favorite. Most of these are under $50. I have a Mora #1 that I picked up in 1973 or 1974. Still sharp. Still strong. It could probably use a new handle.

If I have a little more cash, and I can afford something in the $50-to-$100 range, I might look at the Ontario/Randall or ESEE knives, maybe a Becker Campanion or Magnum.

Something to keep in mind, though, is that your general purpose "survival" blade should be light enough and versatile enough for camp kitchen use, game dressing and skinning, in addition to the usual "woodcraft" stuff. Depending on your hand size, hand strength, dexterity, and stuff like that, you may find a large blade awkward for certain common tasks. If that's the case, you might consider two of the more inexpensive knives in different sizes.

Regardless of which fixed blade you choose, you should also add a durable multi-tool as suggested above. Leatherman, Gerber, SOG, or something like that. 'Cuz you just never know.


My own personal choices for "survival" knives look kinda like the following, provided as suggestions for your consideration:

Mora 2000, $30, lightweight, ergonomic, durable, sharp as the dickens.
Ragnar's Forge.
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Mora Craftline, $14, light & good ergos, durable, shaving sharp.
Ragnar's Forge.
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Marttiini knives of this essential style, around $25, light/ergo/durable/sharp.
Smoky Mountain Knife Works.
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Järvenpää Puukko & Leuku combo (mine's in stainless), Sammi/Lapp traditional.
Ragweed Forge.
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Buck 105 Pathfinder. Light, sharp, strong. Good general purpose cutter.
Most sporting goods stores; also direct from Buck Knives.
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Buck 102 Woodsman. Light, sharp, strong, small, versatile.
Most sports stores; also direct from Buck knives.
It's a small knife, but it will do deer, fish, camp work, and kitchen work.
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I also have a selection of medium-to-heavy folders on hand. Here's a photo spread of some of them. Left-to-right: Buck 110, Buck Vantage, EKA (Normark) Swede 92, Case Sod Buster (large), and Benchmade Steigerwaldt 12700.
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Others, farther down the spread, are the EKA Swede 88 (light birch handle), and the EKA Nordic T8 (dark bubinga wood handle).


Things to avoid: in general, avoid knives branded after major firearms manufacturers. Some are good. Many are not. Most of the good stuff out there isn't gun-maker-branded. Time enough to sort through all those later.

I generally recommend against knives with serrations (combo edges). It's a personal thing, and you might learn that you prefer them. I find them troublesome.

At this time I have trouble recommending Gerber as a brand. I own some of their earlier (1970s, early '80s) pieces, and they're excellent. I haven't been able to find any of their newer stuff that measures up to that earlier standard. I do have a couple of modern Gerber pieces with which I'm happy (e.g. a Harsey Hunter), but mostly I haven't achieved a good level of confidence with today's Gerber products.


What I've offered above is not a comprehensive review of what's available, and tends to be limited to my own experience.

Don't let that put you off trying other stuff.

 
I think most folks here know I'm not a huge Cold Steel fan, but they do have a couple of very inexpensive (like, $10) fixed blades that would work fine.

Upper end bushcrafters would be the Ontario SK-5- a terrific knife, and the Spyderco Bushcraft.

Really, there are lots of fixed blades that would work just fine. They just have to keep a decent edge, and resharpen easily. I personally like the Schempp Rock Salt/Schempp Rock a lot for a lightweight, reasonably priced, very effective blade for a lot of purposes.

John
 
I have giant knives, and some are more useful than others, I have cut down small trees with my Buckmaster, and my Gerber MkII dagger has the best steel for striking flint of any of my knives, but these things don't seem too useful if you can't use it to clean a fish. A simple, medium-sized, fixed blade like those linked above are the most practical. I have also become spoiled to having an inch of serrated edge, you'll find it difficult to cut off the feet from fowl without one. In a survival situation, the bulk of the work I would need to do would easily be done with a Spyderco or CRKT folder.
 
If you need stainless look at the Fallkniven line. I have an F1, but also consider the larger S1. They cut well, and are very robust.

ESEE makes some nice knives, with good sheaths included. The ESEE-4 is a good all around knife, as is the new Laser Strike, and ESEE-6.

Bark River has several that would work well including the Bravo-1 which is what I often take in the woods.

Nothing wrong with the Bucks either. I've used a 119 "Special" for over 25 years for hunting, and I'll probably get a 105, and/or 102 at some point. I like the Buck steel as it is easy to sharpen in the field, but so are the others listed above. The Bucks are still some of the better values at there.
 
Hell, Bob. You're only a few miles from Sam and Ken. Meet up with Sam (Sam1911) at the shooting club, and ask him to bring a few knives. :) You have a rare opportunity. I strongly advise you to make the most of it.

John
 
I can recommend the Kabar BK series. I have a BK-7 and it is a hell of a knife fir under $100. Big enough to chop down small trees, robust enough to do some good batonning with. It holds a razor edge very well. I have not had to sharpen mine yet so I can't say about that yet. The sheath actually has a secondary sheath built in to hold one of their smaller knives as well- if you want something like that. Also plenty of room there for a fire steel, paracord or whatever else you would want. If I were planning a "bug out" bag I would definately include more than one knife though. I would take the BK-7 paired with a smaller, concealable knife, maybe a necker of some sort. I have a Tops Tracker 4 on the way for just that. Handy little knife.

However, if I could only take 1 tool into the woods with me, it would be my Tracker 2. That's the medium sized model. Cuts out the need for a hatchet unless you're after big trees. The thing is basically indestructable. VERY robust blade but the 2 isn't so big that you couldn't use it for smaller jobs as well. I could gut/skin a hog or deer with it if I had to. However that may be significantly more than you want to spend.

The Esee knives are also very nice. My brother bought a Model 4 yesterday at the gunshow and loves it. Very nice little knife. Right at $100~. But if you want a great knife under $100 I'd go with the Kabar. If the BK-7 is too big look at the BK-2, the Companion I think they call it.

From L to R: Schrade PH2(el cheapo skinning/utility), Tops Tracker 2, Kabar BK-7
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For the money, I too vote for ESEE. Years ago I bought a Fehrman, right before the price hike. Great knife, but waaaay expensive. I could buy multiple ESEE knives of comparable size for how much the Fehrman costs and only have a relatively slight drop off in performance that I would probably never discover in my use.
 
The ESEEs are great, but the new Beckers shipping this week are a better bargain for the pretty much the same performance. It then becomes a question of which handle design you prefer and which sheaths between the two families of knives.

Moras are a great deal, but aren't as sturdy (but then, who actually needs a knife to be as sturdy as the sharpened pry-bars that are the rage these days?). If you're not prying or batoning it is difficult to beat the Mora 2000.

"Survival" has so many goofy pointless connotations that the "bushcraft" or "woodscraft" terms don't. What's at least as important as what knife to have is getting real time with it in the field to find out what you can do with it. It won't do much good to try to pull up a youtube video on how to do X, Y, or Z when you're in the bush trying to use that shiny new knife that you've only handled once or twice.
 
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Don't forget, ESEE has a military/police pricing program that can seriously lower the price on their products if you're eligible.

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The only negative thing I find with the smaller Esees- the 3 and 4, is that the grip doesn't fit my hand very well at the front. The notch at the front is a little too sharp for my big fingers. I would like to see it more rounded. This is a minor gripe but if it were a knife I was looking to spend a great deal of time using it could become more of a concern. Again, this is only on the 3 and 4 that I have this problem. The 6 has quite a comfortable grip.
 
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