SVD Dragunov
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Maverick223
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That's not true.
the SVD barrel is fully rifled, but the rifling is somewhat different from Tigr to provide a clear forensic distinction between "mil" SVD's and "civvy" Tigers.
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Can you explain in a little more detail? I wasn't sure where I picked up that the bbl wasn't fully rifled (which is why I added "I believe"), but I am curious what the real difference is (depth of rifling shallower at muzzle, twist, shape, et cetera).
the rifling twist rate in SVD is one turn in 240 mm (1:9.5 in US metrics), while twist rate in Tigr is one turn in 320 mm (1:12.6)
This can be explained as SVD is optimized for L (light military FMJ with steel core, 9 gram) type bullets while Tiger is optimized for heavier hunting type bullets.
the one Soviet rifle (that I'm aware of
) that had smooth portion of the barrel was the SVT-40 (Tokarev), where short portion of the bore between the gas port and muzzle was smooth, as the gas block, front part of the bore and the muzzle brake were made as a separate unit.
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Thanks for the information, I must have been thinking about the SVT...eh, I was only one letter off.
+1...I'll buy one.
I'm more surprised that some micro-manufacturer like Krebs or Ohio Rapid Fire hasn't decided to produce them. There's got to be some way they could import most of the parts and then if they could just make the receivers and a few others they'd be set. Considering that these things go for upwards of $2500, I'd think there'd be plenty of room for profit.
Don't even need a US builder. These are just like PSLs. No need for US parts on them. Russian manufacturer could just make them like Saigas and bring them in. I'd buy one. I already have two PSLs.
Russia can't do it. I forget which one it was, but one of the import rules from either Bush 1 or Clinton specifically banned Russian Dragunovs.
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I agree, and they can't be a great deal more difficult to manufacture (the receiver that is) than a standard milled AK.
On the flip side, it seems to be very easy to import the SVD and especially the "Tigr" models as hunting and sporting arms, with the latter already being classified as such in its home port. Plus, with how the grip attaches, it appears to be very easy to convert a Tigr or SVD to take a hunting stock instead of a thumb-hole/pistol grip that it has right now, aaand most of the magazines seem to be of the 10 round persuasion anyway. If anything an SVD/Tigr seems easier to import than an AK.
Only hang-up there might be Russian domestic export regulations that may make it very hard/impossible to export SVD/Tigr guns out of the country....
Only hang-up there might be Russian domestic export regulations that may make it very hard/impossible to export SVD/Tigr guns out of the country....
Would not the SVD with its 1:9.5" twist be the one optimized for the 'heavier, longer bullets. Curious?
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I *think* what he is talking about it the longer (but lighter) military rounds that require a faster twist to properly stabilize, much like the tracer rounds in a 5.56NATO rifle require a 1:7 twist despite a relatively light weight, though I may be completely wrong as I haven't a SVD, nor researched the cartridges that it is designed to fire.
I had an NMD-86 for about 10 years. I never shot it...I just liked to look at it. When my oldest got into his teens, he wanted to try it out. So I bought some noncorrosive 7.62 and away we went. Neither one of us could hit a barn door with it. It had enough raw edges that I returned bleeding from several cuts. The mags were had to insert and it kicked like a mule..oh, and it was LOUD. It did look great though.
I sold it when we needed some cash back about 5 years ago because I liked my M1's, AR's, AK's, even my German Mausers better.
I miss it for its looks and that's about all (other than its increasing collector value). I've ordered a PSL. Looks close enough and I can enjoy looking at it.
If you never own one, you're not missing much.'
Question: Are the current Century PSL's put together here using US receivers and barrels or are they still made in Romania?
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I sold it when we needed some cash back about 5 years ago because I liked my M1's, AR's, AK's, even my German Mausers better.
I miss it for its looks and that's about all (other than its increasing collector value). I've ordered a PSL. Looks close enough and I can enjoy looking at it.
If you never own one, you're not missing much.'
Question: Are the current Century PSL's put together here using US receivers and barrels or are they still made in Romania?
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Izmash just needs to stamp Сайга 7.62x54R on the rifle instead of TIGER or тигр
and I bet they could bring it into the country again...
and I bet they could bring it into the country again...
Maverick223
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I wouldn't doubt that at all...and they could sell more than enough to overcome the fact that they would be competing against themselves (the Saiga .308), besides it would certainly cost a bit more.
DMK
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PSLs are made by Cigur in Romania. No US parts, they just swap in another Romanian receiver to remove that illegal hole that got the ATF's panties in a wad a few years ago.
There were some folks assembling them from parts kits in the US, I think that has stopped now that barrels are harder to get, but I'm sure there are some out there on the shelves still so buyer beware.
(of course the PSL is not a Dragunov, it's just an AK beefed up to shoot 7.62x54R - for those that don't know this already)
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