CZ223 wrote:
If it works for you
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then fine. Obviously all the toys and add ons out there were based on a percieved need by someone for some task. I can see the usefullness is just about all the add-ons out there but don't neccesarily feel compelled to buy them all. I personally feel that while an AR with an Eotech on top and a scope off to the side along with BUIS and a laser attached with vertical foregrip looks cool, "I" don't need it. If you feel that you do, great. What I am saying is this, If you feel the need to hang a light or laser or both off your shotgun, I will be the last to critisize you for it. Ask me if I feel the need to do the same, I will probaly tell you no. That is not critisizm, that is perspective.
I love your attitude. That is the view I tend to adopt as well.
OPFlash wrote:
I fail to see the use for a laser on a weapon. If you have enough light to see the target it seems you would have enough light to use the sights, if only in silhouette. If you can't see the target you don't know what your laser is hitting anyway.
I agree with this assessment to a degree. Since I am one that has a laser on one rifle, I'll respond. When I've had to check on something, its been 90% of the time in not only poor light conditions but very DARK conditions. Your light only does so much no matter how you wish otherwise. In the example I used about those two persons stealing my father's boat, it was VERY dark and terrain made targeting very difficult as well. Aksing them to come back in better light conditions didn't seem to be an option.
In that situation, I could not even see my rifle, let alone its sights. Having the laser able to let me know the general direction of my point of aim WAS useful to me.
In addition, whether we want to acknowledge it or not, a laser dot on you has a tremendouse pshychological affect on people. Call it a deterence factor. Who knows... that little dot may well have prevented one of them from doing something stupid and my having to address a threat.
On a Close Quarter rifle that has specific uses and expectations, I think it is OK. I don't see much use in on on my scoped rifles however.
OPFlash wrote:
I also don't understand the usefulness of a front vertical grip on a carbine. It doesn't seem like it would enhance accuracy or rapid pointing at all to me.
I think someone in a gun mag about a year ago did an unscientific experiment that showed that vertical grips on rifles did affect accuracy-- negatively.
Still, again I mentioned that I had one on my Vector AK. I'll explain my reasoning.
As I've mentioned earlier, this isn't an "accuracy rifle." Its a Close Quarter, Defense rifle. I've tried mine without the vertical grip and with one. I DO find that it allows for better ability to "sweep" the rifle. I also feel it gives me a better grip on the forearm. But an underfolder AK is very different. If the stock is folded down-- which you are likely to have it in a close situation-- you are not just holding the forearm, but you are holding it around the folded stock. It makes your grip less comfortable and less secure.
Now, I have a decent set-up on my Vector. Because of the folding stock, I have to mount the vertical forearm a little forward of the forearm. This allows me the use of the normal forearm when the stock is extended-- or if I just want to use it. I can use the vertical, too. In addition, the vertical forearm in its position gives a wider span between my hands which "feels" better if I am using it.
I don't particularly like the look of the rifle, but I do feel it works in its role better as I have it set up.
At any rate, there it is.
-- John