Tactics once you run out of ammo

[iliketoshootguns]

I was watching Saving Private Ryan and one US soldier ran out of ammo so he threw his helmet at the German soldier. I know hollyweird is mostly bs, but I would assume that alot of soldiers used their arms, fists, telephones, anything they had to fight off the enemy once they ran out of ammo, if running away was not an option.

Obviously a backup gun or a knife would be preferable, but what if you don't have those. How would you take advantage of your environement, i.e. throw a lamp, kick dirt in his face, psychology, shield yourself with furniture..

How do professionals prepare for this contingency?

 

[Kevlarman]

Fight dirty and fight to win.

If that includes throwing sand in their eyes, kicking them in the nuts, throwing morpine-loaded syringes, who cares?

 

[orangeninja]

Police are generally taught a whole slew of hand to hand tactics as is the military. A soldier and his rifle are still very deadly even without bullets.

A police officer without a gun, can still be very deadly.....think baton or knife.

A civillian without bullets can still be very deadly, mace +strikes or mace +knife or knife or big rock or strikes by themselves or blunt object, etc.

Once you have a little hand to hand training it becomes astounding how fragile the human body can be. For instance, a bladed hand brachial stun.......whew.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1181286114887356316

And if you don't think it works....put your hand up to the side of your neck and have a buddy LIGHTLY hit you on your hand while it covers your neck. You'll see stars.

 

[JN01]

During WWII, Charles Durning (the actor) was bayonetted 7 times by a German soldier while he was serving in Belgium. Durning prevailed by beating said German to death with a rock.

Guy is pudgy and soft now, but must have been damned tough in his day, won 3 Purple Hearts and a Silver Star for his actions on Omaha Beach and elsewhere during the war.

 

[Working Man]

There is no such thing as a fair fight, just winners and losers.
Use anything and everything available to you, nothing is to low or cheap
when your fighting for your life.

Remember, worse case scenario we're armed to the teeth with arms and
teeth.

 

[sacp81170a]

My old patrol planning manuals still had the handy tip of keeping the edge of your e-tool sharpened. In close quarters, it's like getting hit with an axe. This was in the 80's but the trick has been around since the Romans started using shovels to dig in.

 

[steveracer]

I hit a guy with a potted rubber tree once.

He didn't get up.
Look around you. The whole room you're in is full of weapons. I like to play the game, "Meet Mr. Floor" or "Meet Mrs. Wall"
If you are out of ammo, and you have a choice between dying and beating someone with furniture, which os your choice?

 

[birddog]

Picture the moment right after Han and Chewbacca hit the dead end of the hallway on the Death Star, and the stormtroopers they were chasing suddenly turn to face them.

That's me.

 

[oh blanky]

Crying.

Pants crapping or pissing.

Throwing up.

Call for your mommy.

Stroke.

In between these try to run like hell.

 

[No_Brakes23]

WW2 vets have been known to declare that the prime advantage to the 1911 was that after missing the German 7 times, the pistol was heavy enough to beat him to death with it.

(Hard to imagine the 1911 as an inaccurate pistol, nowadays. I guess servicemembers just talk trash about their service pistol.)

 

[Tokugawa]

pull pins!

 

[Diamondback6]

Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

From a now-deleted page on the Thunder Ranch site of Smith quotes.

Darn, now I wish I had saved a copy.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Run. It's to late to give them your wallet after you have sprayed them with bullets.

 

[lawson]

keep fighting until the fight is done.

 

[k_semler]

If running away wasn't an option, and waiting until they ran out of ammo wasn't either because they have air support. It's time to fight like an animal. NO holds would be barred. If I see anything that I could possibly use, from dirt to teeth, I will employ it. If I knew I was going to die, and has no other options, I'de imitate a dog fighting for his life.

Anything and everything that could be used as a weapon would be employed as such. Granted, tackling the attacker and ripping thier jugular out with my teeth may be excessive, (and I'de probably get killed trying it), but if you're gonna die, why not fight like an animal? Use a rock to cave in his skull, rip his throat out by chomping down and twisting with your teeth, or gut him from the pelvis to the "Y" of the rib cage with you knife while ground-fighting. It's a matter of survival, not a time to worry about illogical "morals". "Morals" will just get you killed; there's no time for humanistic religion or reasoning in a time when you are fighting to the death. Do you want to live or die? This is the time "God" abandoned you. Fight or die. You're on your own. Survival of the fittest, and most cunning. Kill, or dye trying.

 

[Lupinus]

Fight dirty. I don't believe in such a thing as "fighting fair" you fight and you fight to win. I'm not talking the fights you have with someone you know and have a spat or someone does something stupid and you pop them for it. I am talking fight, with someone you don't know, and are being assulted. I will assume anytime I am attacked that my attacker means to kill me or at the very least do me great bodily harm and I will avoid that at all costs. If that means I need to gouge his eyes, he is getting gouged. Kick him in the balls? Well I hope he hears slot machiene bells when I kick that field goal. Get him on the ground in a head lock trying to pop his head off? So be it. Hold him with one arm while I fish hook him with the free hand? Sucks to be him shouldn't have attacked me. There are two types of fighting, fighting for sport or spats, and fighting when your life depends on it, and when my life depends on it there is no room for fighting fair.

 

[Devonai]

Stand tall menacingly, and declare,

"Behold the lifeless bodies of (five to forty) of your fallen comrades, who I killed mercifully with bullets. If you don't give up immediately, your death will be much nastier, because I've just now become angry!"

If I'm out of ammo, I figure there will be at least five dead bad guys lying around, as I tend to carry at least 31 rounds. If I've taken them all out myself, by then I'll figure I'm invincible and worthy of making such threats.

 

[rustymaggot]

diamondback, i think i have a copy of that somewhere. ill look. i got it here tho, not the other site.

 

[Lupinus]

could go viking berserker on them

these guys were not mucked with for a reason, some dude going that crazy you wouldn't wanna mess with either

 

[Third_Rail]

I have to say that most of you are under a basic assumption that the fight wasn't already with all you had when you ran out of ammo. Just an observation.

 

[Diamondback6]

Actually, re my prior post, I beleive Dean Speir has incorporated some of 'em in toned-down form into the Rules of Gunfighting over at The Gun Zone.

 

[Leanwolf]

Although it was not a fight involving firearms, I knew a guy who was jumped by three other dudes. The were beating on him when he grabbed the biggest one and quite literally bit the dude's entire nose off.

Of course, that guy screamed and staggered off, and the other two, seeing their buddy noseless, and the man I knew spitting his bloody nose out on the ground, ran off as fast as they could.

As said above, when you're up to your ass in alligators, use anything and everything you can. Just as the man I knew, be creative!

L.W.

 

[crofrog]

How do professionals prepare for this contingency?

They carry more ammo, seriously. If the **** is hot and heavy join a gym.


After that, battle field pickup.

 

[RyanM]

Once you have a little hand to hand training it becomes astounding how fragile the human body can be. For instance, a bladed hand brachial stun.......whew.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86114887356316

And if you don't think it works....put your hand up to the side of your neck and have a buddy LIGHTLY hit you on your hand while it covers your neck. You'll see stars.

I can't get it to work. Admittedly, I'm hitting myself, but I tried it (several times) with the edge of my hand, hard enough to make my neck sore, and at several different locations. Nothing happened except now my neck hurts. I don't think I want to try it any harder. I guess it doesn't work well on people with really thick necks?

 

[Working Man]

tackling the attacker and ripping thier jugular out with my teeth may be excessive

How so? By any and all means necessary. When I die I do not want one of
the questions God asks me to be why I thought so little of the gift he gave
me not to fight with everything I have to protect it.

This is the time "God" abandoned you.

I have to disagree with that.... In one form or another, directly or indirectly
He is still there. You may have a healthy strong body to build from, had a
desire to learn protective skills or notice out of the corner of your eye the
pipe sitting there. He got the ball rolling for you at some point, the rest is up
to you.

I ripped a tree branch off once when faced with 4 opponents, never thought of
that before.... I like to think of it as divine inspiration. That act alone was
enough for them to reconsider how they were going to spend the afternoon.