Take a cop's picture, get arrested and go to jail...

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PHILADELPHIA -- A Philadelphia family said they are outraged over the arrest of one of their family members.

The family of Neftaly Cruz said police had no right to come onto their property and arrest their 21-year-old son simply because he was using his cell phone's camera. They told their story to Harry Hairston and the NBC 10 Investigators.

"I was humiliated. I was embarrassed, you know," Cruz said.

Cruz, 21, told the NBC 10 Investigators that police arrested him last Wednesday for taking a picture of police activity with his cell phone.

Police at the 35th district said they were in Cruz's neighborhood that night arresting a drug dealer.

Cruz said that when he heard a commotion, he walked out of his back door with his cell phone to see what was happening. He said that when he saw the street lined with police cars, he decided to take a picture of the scene.

"I opened (the phone) and took a shot," Cruz said.

Moments later, Cruz said he got the shock of his life when an officer came to his back yard gate.

"He opened the gate and took me by my right hand," Cruz said.

Cruz said the officer threw him onto a police car, cuffed him and took him to jail.

A neighbor said she witnessed the incident and could not believe what she saw.

"He opened up the gate and Neffy was coming down and he went up to Neffy, pulled him down, had Neffy on the car and was telling him, 'You should have just went in the house and minded your own business instead of trying to take pictures off your picture phone,'" said Gerrell Martin.

Cruz said police told him that he broke a new law that prohibits people from taking pictures of police with cell phones.

"They threatened to charge me with conspiracy, impeding an investigation, obstruction of a investigation. … They said, 'You were impeding this investigation.' (I asked,) "By doing what?' (The officer said,) 'By taking a picture of the police officers with a camera phone,'" Cruz said.

Cruz's parents, who got him out of jail, said police told them the same thing.

"He said he was taking pictures with his cell phone and that was obstructing an investigation," said Aracelis Cruz, Neftaly Cruz's mother.

The NBC 10 Investigators asked the ACLU union how they viewed the incident.

"There is no law that prevents people from taking pictures of what anybody can see on the street," said Larry Frankel of the American Civil Liberties Union. "I think it's rather scary that in this country you could actually be taken down to police headquarters for taking a picture on your cell phone of activities that are clearly visible on the street."

Frankel said Cruz's civil rights might have been violated.

"He was unlawfully seized, which is a violation of the 4th amendment the last time we checked," Frankel said.

Cruz, a Penn State University senior, said that after about an hour police told him he was lucky because there was no supervisor on duty, so they released him.

"They said if the supervisor was there I wouldn't be a free man and that he is letting me go because he felt that I was a good person," Cruz said.

Police told Hairston that they did take Cruz into to custody, but they said Cruz was not on his property when they arrested him. Police also denied that they told Cruze he was breaking the law with his cell phone. Cruz's famly said it has filed a formal complaint with the police department's Internal Affairs division and are requesting a complete investigation. Philadelphia family said they are outraged over the arrest of one of their family members.
 
"He said he was taking pictures with his cell phone and that was obstructing an investigation,"

So when is insuring that police follow procedure obstruction?

Answer: When the police say it is :D
 
Welcome to the Police State.
Is this new "law" to prevent things like what happened with the Rodney King ordeal? I bet a lawyer could have a field day with this one.
The most I ever did when I was younger was watch some cops be a little "aggressive" with a couple guys during a traffic stop. Me and a couple friends sat down and sang the "Bad Boys" song to add drama. One of the officers told us in no uncertain terms to get out of there. :)
 
Who says there actually is such a law?

Why would it be illegal to only take pictures of cops with a cell phone and not a normal camera?

And why do I have the feeling there is more to this?

No supervisor on duty? In a department the size of Philly? There is someone, somewhere in charge.
 
Geez. Here's hoping the City of Philadelphia is nailed to the wall on this one. If it went down as described, the Cruz family is going to jump up a couple of tax brackets after the lawsuits are finished.
 
That boy is going to be rich. The family will probably sue, the city will probably settle, the officer will probably not get punished, the Phily taxpayers will get screwed. Life goes on.
 
There really isn't enough of, and never will be true accountability by officials for this type of criminal behavior... That said, the few bad police there are ruin the credibility of the rest of the honest, upstanding ones...
 
I'm sure there's more to this story. We all know that the news sometimes like to print stories without knowing all the FACTS.
 
everyone doesnt know the whole story. All we know is what we read in the news. Nobody was on the street when it happened. i admit it doenst look good, but lets not jump to conclusions simply because the police were involved. Philadelphia is a different world, we have no idea what really went on. Lets take a deep breath.
 
I'm sure there's more to this story. We all know that the news sometimes like to print stories without knowing all the FACTS.

I'm trying to come up with a set of facts that would justify the arrest of a person for taking a picture of activities taking place in public.

Nope. Still not able to do it, and I've got a great imagination.

Philadelphia is a different world, we have no idea what really went on. Lets take a deep breath.

When last I heard, the 1st, 4th, and 14th Amendments still applied in Philly. So like I said, until someone can come up with a plausible justification for arresting someone for taking a picture of an activity on a public street, I'm going to err on the side of "officer having a bad day made a big mistake."
 
Uh huh. Folks, camera equipment is getting smaller all the time. Pretty soon gear for $300 at Walmart will feature a camera built into a pea wirelessly transmitting data to a recorder the size of a matchbook.

That is going to revolutionize police/citizen relations in the US.
 
Remember the story posted here recently where the media reported that a woman was arrested for reading "The Independent" in England? And how that one panned out?

If there's a story here it might be about a couple police officers overstepping their authority. Many don't know the law and a few are willing to make it up as they go along. Big deal -- this is nothing new. Neither is people who are wrongly arrested (but with good cause) making up stories about why they were "really" arrested after the fact. Why someone would do this is, I think, obvious.
 
I agree with you Jim March.

It is good to see but I suspect that more laws like this will become commonplace using the war on terror as a guise for more control. The .gov can say the young man was trying to gauge police tactics or someother nonsense. I would not be surprised when this becomes a bigger issue. It happened at my school. The campus PD arrested a student and were videotaped. The officers life was in danger as he was an undercover / plainclothes cop and someone had his face on tape. :uhoh: Then he should not have made the arrest.

I will try to dig up the story on it.
 
Isn't that the same PD that arrested tourists for asking directions?

Edit--apparently that was Baltimore. One east coast stink hole is very much like the other.
 
Jim, they already have cameras that small but the quality used to be poor but getting much better.

It's a shame that people need to record everyday life just because of a few overzealous people.
 
You guys, stop with the cop bashing. They're just trying to do their jobs and get home safe to their family at the end of their shift.

And you know how dangerous camera phones are to cops in ballistic vests with full-auto M4s!
 
That boy is going to be rich. The family will probably sue, the city will probably settle, the officer will probably not get punished, the Phily taxpayers will get screwed. Life goes on.
I would NEVER settle with the city. I would drag things out and cause as much public embarassment as humanly possible. I'd want my day in court.

It's not enough to know somebody's a thug. I want EVERYBODY to know they're an ADJUDICATED thug. People who do these kinds of things never accept responsibility for their actions and the settlements are crafted to specifically eliminate statements of responsibility. I want a judge to carve that responsibility into their behinds.
 
Welcome to the Police State.
Its not a police state if there is a means by which some measure of justice can be gained. I don't ever expect that LE will be totally accountable. They just have way too much power and I can't think of any practical way to restrain that power that does not make the situation worse.

Most cops are self restrained by their own sense of honor, morality, ethics, whatever you want to call. A few bad eggs slip by that need to be dealt with. Sometimes the system deals with them appropriately, but often it is more of a whitewash. I don't have a practical solution, and I don't think anyone else does either.

One would think the rest of the cops would want to rid themselves of the bad eggs, but it just does not work that way. Just like the majority of auto workers will not do anything at all to rid themselves of the few bad eggs there. The loyalty to the group is just too strong, and in a police/military organization, it is even stronger.

Maybe a partial answer is to strip them of arrest powers when off duty. Make them into normal citizens for 16 hours every day.

Is this new "law" to prevent things like what happened with the Rodney King ordeal? I bet a lawyer could have a field day with this one.
The most I ever did when I was younger was watch some cops be a little "aggressive" with a couple guys during a traffic stop. Me and a couple friends sat down and sang the "Bad Boys" song to add drama. One of the officers told us in no uncertain terms to get out of there.

I am still not sure what to make of the King affair. The cops seemed to get way too much enjoyment out of what they were doing, but they did no real damage to the guy, and short of shooting him, I am not sure what they could have done differently to take him into custody.
 
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