take a look at this Euro only CZ pistol

[Skillet]

http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/79-pistols-cz/PS/CZ_92.aspx

What caliber is that in U.S. "Speak"?

it's a 6.35 mm browning.

sounds something like something the size of a .25 ACP

 

[NG VI]

Yes that's .25 ACP, it seems to be about the size of a P32/P3AT, so I wouldn't worry too much about losing functionality with the pup, however, I do like it and would like to see how it does on the range.

 

[sidheshooter]

Cool little piece.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

You won't see that one in the United States, thanks to the 1968 Gun Control Act. A .380 version, although it might have to be scaled up in size and would have to manufactured in the US, would not be an unwelcome addition to the market, however.

 

[Old Fuff]

I’ve always found it interesting that the rest of the world, particularly Europeans, consider the 6.35 Browning (.25ACP) cartridge to be viable for self-defense at close range. We of course know that it is totally useless…

None of the smaller European pistols can be imported because of the 1968 Gun Control Act. It specifies that only those handguns that are made for “sporting purposes” are O.K. for us common people to have. Remember who thought that one up the next time an election comes around…

 

[NG VI]

Yeah those jerks and their jerk-like "import point" scheme really robs us of some interesting little guns.

 

[Gord]

I’ve always found it interesting that the rest of the world, particularly Europeans, consider the 6.35 Browning (.25ACP) cartridge to be viable for self-defense at close range. We of course know that it is totally useless…

Well, they have the common decency to flop down and die when shot like civilized people.

 

[Old Fuff]

Well, they have the common decency to flop down and die when shot like civilized people.

Ya' but I've known of some less then civilized folks that did the same thing. It was a matter of bullet placement, not size or power...

 

[w_houle]

Yeah, the GCA '68 made sure to protect us from such evil, cheap creations. Just think... If it weren't for the GCA '68: Jennings, Lorcin, and others of the like might have never went into business

 

[FuzzyBunny]

Why don't they make a .25 with some real velocity?

I know its a short barrel but it seems like you could make a .25 that could really move! We made the .22 or .223 really move. I would buy a .25 if they would make a new cart with some horsepower. For that fact they could really hop up the .380 too.

 

[Gord]

Fuzzy, take a look at the .32NAA.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Kinda neat, but as others have said, we'll never see them. This is the importation points chart from teh '68 GCA:

II. Firearms Laws
G. Federal Firearms Laws
6. The Points Systems of GCA '68
by Larry Cipriani ([email protected])

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Factoring Criteria for Weapons

Note: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms reserves the right
to preclude importation of any revolver or pistol which achieves an
apparent qualifying score but does not adhere to the provisions of
section 925(d)(3) of Amended Chapter 44, Title 18, USC.

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PISTOL

Prerequisites

1. The pistol must have a positive manually operated safety device.
2. The combined length and height must not be less than 10" with
the neight (right angle measurement to barrel without magazine
or extension) being at least 4" and the length being at least 6".

Individual Characteristics Point value

Overall Length
For each 1/4" over 6" 1 pt

Frame Construction
Investment case or forged steel 15
Investment case or forged HTS alloy 20

Weapon Weight w/Magazine (unloaded)
Per ounce 1

Caliber
.22 short and .25 auto 0
.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto 3
9mm parabellum and over 10

Safety Features
Locked breech mechanism 5
Loaded Chamber Indicator 5
Grip Safety 3
Magazine Safety 5
Firing Pin Block or Lock 10

Miscellaneous Equipment
External Hammer 2
Double Action 10
Drift Adjustable Target Sight 5
Click Adjustable Target Sight 10
Target Grips 5
Target Trigger 2

Qualifying score is 75 points

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Revolver

Prerequisites

1. Must pass safety test.
2. Must have overall frame (with conventional grips) length (not diagonal)
of 4 1/2" minimum.
3. Must have a barrel length of at least 3"

Individual Characteristics

Barrel Length (Muzzle to Cylinder Face)
Less than 4" 0
For each 1/4" over 4" 1/2

Frame Construction
Investment Cast or Forged Steel 15
Investment Cast or Forged HTS Alloy 20

Weapon Weight (Unloaded)
Per ounce 1

Caliber
.22 short to .25 acp 0
.22 LR and .30 to .38 S&W 3
.38 Special 4
.357 mag and over 5

Miscellaneous Equipment
Adjustable Target Sights 5
(drift or click)

Target Grips 5
Target Hammer and Target Trigger 5

Safety Test

A Double Action Revolver must have a safety feature which automatically
(or in a Single Action Revolver by manual operation) causes the hammer to
retract to a point where the firing pin does not rest upon the primer of
the cartridge. The safety device must withstand the impact of a weight
equal to the weight of the revolver dropping from a distance of 36" in a
line parallel to the barrel upon the rear of the hammer supr, a total of
5 times.

Qualifying score is 45 points.

 

[Skillet]

Dang them politicians. it's a pretty little gun. maybe CZ-USA will start making one for us.

 

[amd6547]

It is an updated version of the CZ45:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_45
There a few CZ45's in the states...it is a pocket pistol that has always had a good reputation.

 

[easyg]

I’ve always found it interesting that the rest of the world, particularly Europeans, consider the 6.35 Browning (.25ACP) cartridge to be viable for self-defense at close range. We of course know that it is totally useless…

I'm not convinced that "the rest of the world" or Europeans really consider the .25 to be a viable self-defense round.

Unless I'm mistaken, I think that for self-defense, the 9mm is the worldwide caliber of choice. Europe included.

 

[outerlimit]

That would be a fun toy, but even if it were available for import .25acp ammo is too expensive to shoot a whole lot of. I had a Jetfire years ago and even dumping a few 8rd mags out of it cost about 20 times as much as shooting a few mags of .22lr out of my Ruger MKII.

 

[jackstinson]

You can buy the Intratec clone rendition: Protec 25B & Protec 25KB. Same basic gun as the old CZ45 (or CZ's own current Euro repop). Regardless of folks opinion concerning Intratec, their little .25acp DAO clone is quite reliable. I see them on GunBroker now and then.

For those who seem surprised that center-fire ammo costs more than rim-fire ammo; Why are you surprised? While not "20-times" the cost of .22LR, it IS usually 6 times the cost. However, if you have a large stable of .25acp pocket pistols and wish to shoot them (as some of us do), you'll pay the price to have the fun.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Same reason why the Glock 25 and Glock 28 cannot be imported.

 

[MAKster]

I always thought the European mouse guns like the Baby Browning were built for the U.S. market. European laws on handgun ownership are much more restrictive than in the U.S. and I doubt any European countries are open to concealed carry. Is there even a market for these mouse guns in Europe?

 

[armoredman]

There IS some talk about upsizing the CZ-92 for 380, but just some talk for now. Nifty looking little gun.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

the whole thing about "sporting purposes" is stupid, its unconstitutional. I would love to own a Dragunov without paying 4 grand for one.

 

[harmon rabb]

wow. a .25acp i can't buy. damn i'm pissed.

oh wait. who the hell wants a .25acp. lol.

 

[outerlimit]

For those who seem surprised that center-fire ammo costs more than rim-fire ammo; Why are you surprised? While not "20-times" the cost of .22LR, it IS usually 6 times the cost. However, if you have a large stable of .25acp pocket pistols and wish to shoot them (as some of us do), you'll pay the price to have the fun.

Well, if I buy a typical box of Federal 550 copper plated HP for $15 and a 50rd box of .25acp fmj for $15 I guess it's about 11 times more. So it's somewhere in between of what we both said. At any rate, it's a lot more expensive to have a .25acp fun gun and that is the point I was trying to make.

wow. a .25acp i can't buy. damn i'm pissed.

oh wait. who the hell wants a .25acp. lol.

Hahahaha I'd like one of those, but probably in .22lr instead.

 

[Bohemus]

I shot one last year - reliable andy easy to shoot, even by girls and kids, especialy when compared to pistols like Ruger LCP, ZVI Kevin or 9mm Kahr of this size.

Stopping effect of 6,35 mm Browning is negligible, yet there was murder with this kind of mousegun when one jerk shot other jerk and he died imediately - caliber doesnt matter if you strike the switch...
Better .25acp pistol than pepper spray or .40sw you dont master..

European laws on handgun ownership are much more restrictive than in the U.S. and I doubt any European countries are open to concealed carry. Is there even a market for these mouse guns in Europe?

First: 6,35 guns are anachronism from time when western Europe was not post-democratic and carry was ok.
Second: When you were student, were you allowed to carry your gun to school in US? I am...

 

[Old Fuff]

Second: When you were student, were you allowed to carry your gun to school in US? I am...

A good point, and one that should be well taken.

Also if one reads the CZ advertisement, the 6.35 pistol is classified as being for, close range back-up, not as a primary weapon.