clubsoda22
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i think you'd be plesantly supprised to know that the light powerball bullets penetrate 13" of gelatin consistantly. www.ammolab.com
Tell me what you think is effective defensive ammo
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Jeff OTMG
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RBCD, mountains of velocity. Be it a .38 Spec., 9mm, or .40 S&W
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Andrew Wyatt
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1. It goes bang every time.
2. it penetrates at least 16 inches into the target and doesn't skip off things like bone.
everything else is gravy.
2. it penetrates at least 16 inches into the target and doesn't skip off things like bone.
everything else is gravy.
1. Whatever you shoot best. (caliber/weapon combo)
2. Reliability. Ammo AND firearm.
3. Accuracy in that given caliber/weapon.
4. Penetration/expansion.
I love my 45's. If I had to shoot someone, I'd rather shoot them with a .45 or 357. However, I shoot my 9mm far better. I practice with my 9mm all the time. I can afford to practice with my 9mm. If my 9mm doesn't get it done in one shot that's OK.. I'll likely shoot 'em three times anyway. (Based on my IDPA habits) Ok thats likely true with any handgun.
So by this criteria:
45acp = Federal 230 gr Hydrashock, or Remington UMC 230 gr ball ammo.
9mm = Winchester 115 gr Silvertip.
357 = Federal 158 gr Hydrashock
2. Reliability. Ammo AND firearm.
3. Accuracy in that given caliber/weapon.
4. Penetration/expansion.
I love my 45's. If I had to shoot someone, I'd rather shoot them with a .45 or 357. However, I shoot my 9mm far better. I practice with my 9mm all the time. I can afford to practice with my 9mm. If my 9mm doesn't get it done in one shot that's OK.. I'll likely shoot 'em three times anyway. (Based on my IDPA habits) Ok thats likely true with any handgun.
So by this criteria:
45acp = Federal 230 gr Hydrashock, or Remington UMC 230 gr ball ammo.
9mm = Winchester 115 gr Silvertip.
357 = Federal 158 gr Hydrashock
Oracle
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I use Winchester White Box Personal Protection ammo, USA9JHP, in my carry guns. It works well, has good expansion and penetration, and I don't have to mortgage the house to buy a few boxes of it. Plus, it's available at virtually every Wal-Mart I've ever been to, and it hits to the same POA as Winchester White Box Value Pack FMJ's, my practice ammo. Good points all around, IMHO. Of course, that's just 9mm, because that's the round my carry guns are chambered in.
I'd also recommend taking a look at Ammolab, they have some of the best information available at their site, extremely useful in determining what ammo to carry.
I'd also recommend taking a look at Ammolab, they have some of the best information available at their site, extremely useful in determining what ammo to carry.
M2 Carbine
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Mostly I carry Aguila IQ 45 in a Kimber 3 inch barrel.
About 1,400 fps.
117 grain bullet.
The bullet breaks up into 4 pieces with the base still being 45 cal in diameter, causing a lot of damage.
http://www.aguilaammo.com/iq.htm
Nothing I've informally tested comes close to the destruction and apparent power.
I'de like to see the Cor Bon Power Ball made in 32 and 380 for the Kel Tecs
About 1,400 fps.
117 grain bullet.
The bullet breaks up into 4 pieces with the base still being 45 cal in diameter, causing a lot of damage.
http://www.aguilaammo.com/iq.htm
Nothing I've informally tested comes close to the destruction and apparent power.
I'de like to see the Cor Bon Power Ball made in 32 and 380 for the Kel Tecs
BluesBear
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Aguila IQ,
Good stuff, kinda like getting shot with 4 .22 Longs all at once.
Good stuff, kinda like getting shot with 4 .22 Longs all at once.
M2 Carbine
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"BluesBear
Aguila IQ,
Good stuff, kinda like getting shot with 4 .22 Longs all at once"
More power than 4 22's.
One of our "back yard tests" was filling a 5 gal jug with water and viedo taping the results.
I was going to try to hit it twice if I could.
The slow motion video is something to see.
First shot, I hit the jug in the top half.
The jug jumped into the air about 4 or 5 inches and rolled left and back.
The top half had several splits with water blowing out.
The second shot I hit the jug in the bottom half while it was still in the air.
There was still a lot of water in the bottom half and we got another "explosion".
I guess this isn't a very scientifis test but it sure gives an idea of the power of that round.
I've also tested the 45 against hard targets and as Aguila says the bullet will stay in one piece and penetrate.
Aguila IQ,
Good stuff, kinda like getting shot with 4 .22 Longs all at once"
More power than 4 22's.
One of our "back yard tests" was filling a 5 gal jug with water and viedo taping the results.
I was going to try to hit it twice if I could.
The slow motion video is something to see.
First shot, I hit the jug in the top half.
The jug jumped into the air about 4 or 5 inches and rolled left and back.
The top half had several splits with water blowing out.
The second shot I hit the jug in the bottom half while it was still in the air.
There was still a lot of water in the bottom half and we got another "explosion".
I guess this isn't a very scientifis test but it sure gives an idea of the power of that round.
I've also tested the 45 against hard targets and as Aguila says the bullet will stay in one piece and penetrate.
BluesBear
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Here is my Aguila test.
I ain't saying it's not good. In fact if I was attacked by a Toyota full of water jugs it would be my very first choice.
I have first hand experience with .38+p 148CWBH on water jugs.
I also have first hand experience with .38+p 148CWBH on human tissue.
There IS quite a difference.
I ain't saying it's not good. In fact if I was attacked by a Toyota full of water jugs it would be my very first choice.
I have first hand experience with .38+p 148CWBH on water jugs.
I also have first hand experience with .38+p 148CWBH on human tissue.
There IS quite a difference.
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Well, in my duty Beretta 9mm the issued load is the 124+P Gold Dot. In my personal Glock 19 9mm I use the same. In my Glock 30 .45 I prefer the 200+P Gold Dot.
I am one of those "Reliable functioning, deep penetrating, accurate-under-stress, don't care what the 'energy' or 'OSS' is, shot placement is more important that the latest whiz bang flavor of the month" kinda guys.
What is my opinion on 'OSS' and 'energy dump' and 'knock down power' and 'stopping power' etc :banghead:
I am one of those "Reliable functioning, deep penetrating, accurate-under-stress, don't care what the 'energy' or 'OSS' is, shot placement is more important that the latest whiz bang flavor of the month" kinda guys.
What is my opinion on 'OSS' and 'energy dump' and 'knock down power' and 'stopping power' etc :banghead:
M2 Carbine
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BluesBear
I guess I'm in trouble since I drive a Toyota pickup.
I'm still convinced from the testing I've done with the Aquila and the other +P JHP's, that the Aguila 45 (the 9mm Aguila isn't my first choice) is a good all around carry round.
I don't feel at a disadvantage with Gold Dots or others (I have them all) but I think one of these Aguila rounds in a BG's chest will stop the fight.
I guess I'm in trouble since I drive a Toyota pickup.
I'm still convinced from the testing I've done with the Aquila and the other +P JHP's, that the Aguila 45 (the 9mm Aguila isn't my first choice) is a good all around carry round.
I don't feel at a disadvantage with Gold Dots or others (I have them all) but I think one of these Aguila rounds in a BG's chest will stop the fight.
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