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Tennessee Bill introduced to allow school staff to carry

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Fryerpower, Feb 2, 2013.

  1. Fryerpower

    Fryerpower Well-Known Member

    If you are a Tennessee resident, write to your State Congressmen and the Governor. Let them know you support this bill.

    On a related note, where the heck do I find 9x18mm Makarov frangible ammo? Might end up being a great excuse to buy another gun once everything calms down...:) As written, it won't kick in until 1 July 2013 so I should have time for things to calm down and prices/availability to be a little more reasonable.


    HB 0006 by *Watson. (SB 0570 by *Niceley.)

    Teachers, Principals and School Personnel - As introduced, allows K-12 school personnel to possess a firearm on school property if the person has a handgun carry permit, is authorized by the school superintendent, has had 40 hours of basic school policing training and uses frangible bullets. - Amends TCA Title 39, Chapter 17, Part 13 and Title 49, Chapter 6.

    Fiscal Summary

    Not Available

    Bill Summary

    Under present law, it is generally a Class E felony for a person to possess or carry a weapon, including a firearm, with the intent to go armed on school property. Also, under present law, it is generally a Class B misdemeanor for a person to possess or carry a firearm on school property, except that a nonstudent adult may possess a firearm, if the firearm is contained within a private vehicle operated by the adult and is not handled by the adult, or by any other person acting with the expressed or implied consent of the adult, while the vehicle is on school property. It is not an offense to possess a weapon, including a firearm, on school property if the weapon is used solely for instructional or school-sanctioned ceremonial purposes.

    Under present law, the following persons are not prohibited from carrying or possessing weapons on school property when in discharge of their official duties:

    (1) Member of the military when acting under orders requiring them to carry weapons;
    (2) Civil officers of the United States;
    (3) Officers and soldiers of the militia and the national guard when called into actual service;
    (4) Law enforcement officers;
    (5) Any pupils who are members of the reserve officers training corps or pupils enrolled in a course of instruction or members of a club or team, and who are required to carry arms or weapons in the discharge of their official class or team duties;
    (6) Any private police employed by the administration or board of trustees of any public or private institution of higher education; and
    (7) Registered security guards.

    This bill adds public school faculty and staff to the list of persons who are not prohibited from carrying or possessing weapons on school property, provided, that the faculty or staff member:

    (1) Possesses a handgun carry permit;
    (2) Has the written permission of the director of schools to carry;
    (3) Has successfully completed a 40-hour course in basic school policing training, including training in crisis management and hostile situations, no more than (12) months prior to seeking authorization of the director of schools to carry. All such training shall be approved by each school district and the cost of the training, firearm and ammunition shall be at the expense of the person seeking authorization and not the school district; and
    (4) Uses only ammunition that is specifically designed for use in a confined space, as approved by the POST commission.

    This bill extends immunity from civil liability to any LEA in which the director of schools authorizes a faculty or staff member to possess or carry a firearm for damages, injuries, or death resulting from or arising out of a faculty or staff member's actions involving a firearm carried or possessed on school property unless the board of education or superintendent knew of or intentionally solicited or procured the faculty or staff member's actions involving a firearm that resulted in the harm.

    This bill will take effect on July 1, 2013, and apply to school year 2013-2014 and each school year thereafter.
  2. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    I think it is a good idea. I don't know how many teachers or administrative staff will want to carry a firearm. The key is that it is optional. Which means that for the potential school shooter, he won't necessarily know who will be armed.

    Not sure what a 40-hour course amounts to? School policy? Firearm legalities? Firearm proficiency?
  3. Fryerpower

    Fryerpower Well-Known Member

    My wife will probably be one of the first in line to get approved.

    I wonder if the NRA has a course that would cover the "40 hours of basic school policing training" requirement, or even part of the requirement.

    Sounds like a business opportunity or maybe a community service opportunity.

  4. Fryerpower

    Fryerpower Well-Known Member

    How about the stuff they teach School Resource Officers?

    National Association of School Resource Officers: http://www.nasro.org/

    Basic SRO class, 40 hours, $495, should meet the requirement, but almost useless for armed teacher: http://www.nasro.org/content/basic-sro

    Advanced SRO class, 24 hours, $345, very little for armed teacher: http://www.nasro.org/content/advanced-sro

    Active Shooter training, 24 hours, $350, great for an agressive response but less useful for defensive teacher tactics: http://www.nasro.org/content/advanced-sro

  5. Frank Ettin

    Frank Ettin Moderator

    I'm an NRA certified instructor for several courses, including Personal Protection Outside the Home, and I'm afraid that I don't know of any NRA class that would meet the criteria. And the course requirements look to be specific enough that the standard POST class might not fit.

    Clearing that up might be something that needs to be worked on as the bill goes through the legislative process.
  6. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

  7. lobo9er

    lobo9er Well-Known Member

    Its a great start. I'm guessing the frangible ammo is just in there to make it sound safer to those who aren't as gun savvy. I would bet most would carry HP's. Or has there been great advances in frangible stuff?
  8. Fryerpower

    Fryerpower Well-Known Member

    The National Association of School Resource Officers class "Basic School Resource Officer" sure sounds a lot like "basic school policing training". It is easy enough to comply with, but does absolutely nothing to help prepare a teacher to use his/her gun. The class is intended to take a police officer and ease them into a school setting. Not take a teacher and prepare him/her for a highly stressful situation.

    Part of me is happy with just being able to check off the box and get her in there legally. Then pay for additional training by a local consultant to cover the real gap.

  9. Fryerpower

    Fryerpower Well-Known Member

    The frangible stuff was easy enough to find as of last October. Almost impossible to find now. I a box or two of 9mm Nato (9x19mm), but no appropriate gun for her to put it in and carry. I have an appropriate 9mm Makarov type gun, but no 9x18 Makarov frangible ammo. (Well, somewhere I have a pack of Blue Glaser Safety Slugs. I just have not seen them in years...)

    This should clear up by the time this law kicks in. (Please, please kick in!)

  10. Double Vision

    Double Vision Well-Known Member

    I admire how the state of TN goes about its business.
  11. Fryerpower

    Fryerpower Well-Known Member

    Found them!

    Ha! Found them! I put them in a box on top of my dresser. kind of like a jewelry box, but I keep foreign money (pocket change from my trips abroad) and other interesting trinkets in it. Expensive little suckers. I think they run about $13 for six rounds.

  12. Fryerpower

    Fryerpower Well-Known Member

    Active shooter course

    In post #4 I put the wrong link down for the active shooter class. The correct link is:

    The course outline is practical and useful, but is only 24 of the 40 hours required and for some stupid reason might not count toward "Basic school policing training." :rolleyes:

    "Day One
    Classroom presentation to include:
    Preparation for International and Domestic Terrorism
    Psychology of the Active Shooter
    History of Active Shooters in the School Environment
    The Mission-Oriented Shooter

    Day Two and Three
    The last two days of the course will involve realistic scenarios in a school facility. Attendees will gain experience in one and two officer responses to specific scenarios. Tactical movement and entry techniques will be stressed.

    Gas powered Air-Soft handguns will be used in these scenarios and protective equipment will be provided."

  13. razorback2003

    razorback2003 Well-Known Member

    Very few, if any school districts, will give permission for teachers to carry guns. Without the permission, under this bill, carrying will still be illegal.

    The bill is something that makes legislators look like they are doing something knowing full well that no school will let a teacher carry a gun thus truly making no change.

    The better solution would be to add permits as an exception just like armed guards, hunter ed, and shooting teams presently have for carrying at schools. Make it simple, clean, and legalize the most possible.

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