The brady blog head at it again

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I too am thinking they are really going too far, too ridiculous in admitting and listing what they want, and too obvious in how they are posting it.

They either REALLY think they have the politcal muscle to actually do some of this stuff, or just figure they have the forum they always needed (wonder how many besides us are reading this crap though). (ban "military SLINGS" shesesh!).

Keep it up - let them pile the BS so high there won't be anyone who can't smell for themselves how assanine they are.
 
Hmmm- a .22 is no good for self defense yet it is used to kill more people than any other round?
The short barrel makes it inaccurate yet it can be aimed through gaps in police body armor?
Certain lack of consistency in their logic here
 
Use MYSPACE in response?

I do not use nor am familiar with Myspace, other than that it is an online social networking system that took a big hit in the media last year for allegations of sexual predation.

That said, who here is familiar with Myspace and wants to start a counter-blog? Or knows of one already? Rather than letting the Brady Campaign control the messages and then wait for a retort, why not send messages in blogs directly related to them and other anti-firearm organizations? I assume that at least 75% of THR members could write better informed and more logically convincing articles than those of the competition. It might be easier to organize a group, where each member submits an article once every two weeks or so. That would allow greater research per article due to lead time, less work per individual, and more prolific distribution of second amendment support.

Just a thought, though, and not an offer to organize. :eek: I would try to submit articles if someone else could organize this, though.
 
I have a MySpace page/account mostly so I can respond to idiots like this on a variety of issues. I wonder if this bonehead works for the Brady Campaign or is just some tool with nothing better to do.
 
It has always bothered me when I have read that a ".22 caliber rifle" was used in a shooting, because I'd be willing to bet that a .22-250, .222, .22 Hornet, et cetera would be labeled as such, so the ever-so-deadly ".22" is not always a .22LR, but nobody ever questions this.

As for sawed-off shotguns and "assault shotguns", ***? :scrutiny:

Assault shotgun? I wonder what they think of the Tactical Turkey from Mossberg.


gp911
 
If an AR is banned don't expect a Mini-14 to be legal in future legislation.

It is already cited by name as a "to-be-banned" weapon in the AWB II by McCarthy.

1 ‘‘(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates
2 thereof:....
18 ‘‘(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
19 ‘‘(xi) M1 Carbine;
20 ‘‘(xii) Saiga;
21 ‘‘(xiii) SAR–8, SAR–4800;
22 ‘‘(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;
23 ‘‘(xv) SLG 95;
hmoore on PROD1PC68 with HMBILLS 24 ‘‘(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;
25 ‘‘(xvii) Steyr AUG;

1 ‘‘(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini–14;

Justin
 
You may wish to find other points with which to take issue.

Well, I take issue with the whole thing, it's just that
A) The fact that the germans whined about shotguns didn't change anything, was completely irrelevant, and utterly ridiculous in light of the fact that they...
...did file a protest against the US using shotguns, but not against any of the other things you mentioned.

and
B) this Bradyite gimpwit is using ze Germans' downright retarded gripe as part of his argument.

I was, in fact, aware previously of the German Shotgun Gripe, and I found it just as stupid then as I do now.

~GnSx
 
I don't get what gun haters are trying to accomplish with banning guns. Do we never learn from our history? Murder was around before the wheel, and murder will be around after the fussion drive is perfected. Whether you kill with a rock, or a silenced .22 revolver, or a light saber, you are still killing. Aren't saturday night specials manufactured outside the law? So what law would stop these guns from being produced?
 
Horrific mass killings cannot be committed with knives or baseball bats or bare fists.

Notice that he didn't mention Hammers...... I guess the guy in Chicago made him delete that item from his list.

Sawed off and assault shotguns are popular with gangs and terrorists engaged in urban warfare

Ummm..... I thought you guys said it was Assualt Weapons, now you're saying it's Shotguns..... Idb con-fuze-idid.



Revolvers with silencers. :rolleyes: :scrutiny: Priceless.
 
That's a new term for me. Just what is a "black power firearm"?

Appearantly most firearms as it was Malcom X(which is the black guy in the above picture holding the rifle) and later the Black Panther Party, and similar activism around the civil rights movement and armed violence that is directly responsible for many guns laws. In fact the no firearms in government buildings is directly tied to them, especialy in CA and Oregon, and spread across the nation. The ban on Felons possessing firearms started in 1968 and was primarily to be used as a means to counter activists and revolutionaries during the civil rights era. Once charged with a felony they could be disarmed, thus no longer able to pose an organized deterent to government or law enforcement.

Most of THE 1968 GUN CONTROL ACT was created to fight activists by severely legislating and controlling the flow of guns and thier legal status amongst activists.

The term "Saturday night special" comes from the term "Saturday Night ******-town Special" and was used to describe cheap guns that even poor blacks could afford, and so were prevalent among them.

Many modern or recent gun laws stem from gang violence (or at least cite fighting it as thier reason) predominatly in black neighborhoods over the last few decades (though increasingly involving hispanics).

So gun laws and blacks are directly connected.
 
Many modern or recent gun laws stem from gang violence (or at least cite fighting it as thier reason) predominatly in black neighborhoods over the last few decades (though increasingly involving hispanics).

So gun laws and blacks are directly connected.

Enacting gun control laws to deny African Americans firearms is as old as America itself.

An article in Virginia's official university law review called for a "prohibitive tax... on the privilege" of selling handguns as a way of disarming "the son of Ham", whose "cowardly practice of 'toting' guns has been one of the most fruitful sources of crime... Let a negro board a railroad train with a quart of mean whiskey and a pistol in his grip and the chances are that there will be a murder, or at least a row, before he alights." — Carrying Concealed Weapons, 15 Va L. Reg. 391, 391-92 (1909), George Mason University Civil Rights Law Journal, Vol. 2, No. 1, "Gun Control and Racism," Stefan Tahmassebi, 1991, p. 75]
 
It's kind of funny they are spewing this nonsense on a myspace blog considering that we are owning them on their own main website blog:

(first link is most recent)
http://www.bradycampaign.org/blog/2007/02/06/gun-pushers/#comments
http://www.bradycampaign.org/blog/2007/01/24/mandating-guns/#comments


As for this blog entry:
Shotguns fire an extremely lethal large caliber round that delivers either a cloud of bullets (shot) or a single large slug. Sawed off and assault shotguns are popular with gangs and terrorists engaged in urban warfare- they have enormous knockdown power, and they don't even need to be aimed as the hail of shot will takes precision out of the equation. All it takes is ten minutes with a hacksaw and a shotgun can be turned into highly compact, concealable mayhem.

ROFLMA….. Ok I will admit that a sawed off shotgun creates a larger shot patter which does make it more likely more people will to be hit. But, what a larger shot patter also means is that a single individual is less likely to be hit with as many pellets and the fewer pellets they are hit with means a greater chance of survival. A sawed of barrel also mean the pellets will leave the barrel with less muzzle velocity translating into less energy delivered and less penetration.

As for their popularity with “gangs and terrorists”, I thought that handguns were the "preferred weapon" of criminals. I guess any firearm the Bradys are currently arguing against is the “preferred” weapon of terrorists. (This is of course necessary for them to say in order to generate a false sense of fear to attract followers.)

Most Saturday Night Specials come in .22 caliber. These handguns are not useful for sport or self-defense because their short barrels make them inaccurate and their low quality of construction make them dangerous and unreliable. They are, however, favored by criminals because of their low cost and easy concealability.

Wait a minute, didn’t they just say shotguns were the “favored” weapons. Ok, how about a little logic here. If these guns are “inaccurate and low quality” and are not suited for self defense, then shouldn’t we rather prefer a criminal using a gun to victimize someone would have one of these inferior guns instead of a more reliable and more accurate gun that is better sited to kill?


.22 are indeed deadly in shots to the body, because they don't go through entirely and they bounce off bones, creating more havoc. They have the ability to penetrate through gaps in law enforcement officer's kevlar, such as at the sides. If a .22 bullet enters the head, it will fatally ricochet around in the skull.

More ROFLMAO….. They penetrate “gaps”? A gap is a hole so by definition the bullets are not “penetrating” the vest. Plus, any bullet would be able to go through a “gap” in the vest. This is not an advantage of the bullet it is flaw in the vests design. As for the .22 bouncing around in the skull, how many times does this have to be scientifically disproved?

Creative criminals create penguns, cell-phone guns, knife guns, and more, all using the .22.

Surprise, criminals commit crimes? Only the Brady folk would see this as headline news. We, on the other hand, have been trying to convince them of this for some time. Now, they need to realize that criminals won’t obey any of the new laws they want passed either.



Many people are killed and injured by stray rounds traveling through the air and striking innocent victims, even children.

How about some stats on the number of such incidents each year NOT involving criminals, illegal guns and gang related shootings?

I remember when they tried to turn the death of a 9-year-old little girl hit by a stray bullet when two gang members where shooting at each other in Miami's Liberty City projects into an argument against Florida's newly passed "strand your ground" law. They never mentioned the gang invested inner city location or that neither gang member (who both had long criminal records) could legally possess, let alone, legally carry the firearms they used.
 
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I wonder if this piece was a plant. The Brady myspace page was hacked a couple of days ago, and a succession of pages appeared, first one with somebody trying to pin the blame on THR, then one of my posts from General Gun Discussions (the Race Car Ban piece, I emailed Myspace and had them take it down), then one probably done by an anti and trying to make gun owners look racist. If they haven't gotten their site straightened out yet, this may be another plant.
 
The gun industry continues to try to market weapons such as the Jackhammer automatic shotgun, Streetsweepers, and other deadly weaponry that was deemed so dangerous, it isn't even labeled a firearm. They are destructive devices and regulated by the National Firearms Act. Does a "Destructive Device" sound like something you go duck hunting with? Unfortunately, with a few cosmetic tweaks, the same lethal weapons are manufactured for "sporting purposes."

I can get a Jackhammer and Streetsweeper with a wooden thumbhole stock? Where? Sign me up! :D
 
I confess I'm a myspacer. :eek: What follows is a crash course in the inner workings of the world's largest networking site.

I don't know if the profile under discussion here is being written by a Brady employee or not, but it really doesn't matter. There are scads of rip-off myspace profiles of celebrities, bands, etc. Anybody can post anything - it's the internet. In fact, pending her highness' approval, I'll be "friends" with Hillary Rodham. (Then I'll change my profile pick back to one of Oleg's posters! :evil: )

I did a brief search for "Brady gun violence" and got 259 matches. I only looked at a couple, somebody's movie site about inner city violence, a frikkin' gun buy-back program. Yuck.

So, what do you folks think about creating your own myspace profile? I'm not at all endorsing it - it's a huge waste of time. But, in matters like this, we could be able to muster a force to come against the anti's.
 
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I know we already know the answer to this question is really "none", but I would like to ask one of the Brady's themselves "Please state exactly what firearms you do not want to ban". I just want to hear them try to say something. They claim to be in favor of "responsible gun laws". They say things like "we are not after all firearms, just the dangerous ones that have no place in the hands of regular civilians", and "we're not after your sporting guns, just the ones used by criminals and terrorists". They always seem to hide behind this "we're only after the most extreme guns" shield, trying to portray themselves as reasonable.

So they wanted to ban full autos, large capacity mags, "assault" weapons, etc. While they are wrong, that at least fits with their "you can keep your sporting arms" lie. But then they move on to things all pistols, shotguns, centerfire ammo, .22s and even grandpa's wood stock hunting rifle.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that pretty much bans 99.9% of all the guns available at all, doesn't it?

So I want to ask them "exactly what guns do you not want to ban?"
 
As for the .22 bouncing around in the skull, how many times does this have to be scientifically disproved?

Science, or Cartesian doubt itself, for that matter, does not seem to be a part of the thought processes of most antis.
 
Join with me brothers, in banning all things "innocent"

Should criminals have a ready access to the more 'innocent' versions, ripe for conversion to more lethal configurations?

To modify them is criminal. Diesel and fertilizer are "innocent" but can be "converted" to blow up buildings! I call for a ban on all Diesel and fertilizer!!!!!!!!!!!! Join with me brothers in banning all things "innocent"
 
The gun industry continues to try to market weapons such as the Jackhammer automatic shotgun, Streetsweepers, and other deadly weaponry that was deemed so dangerous, it isn't even labeled a firearm. They are destructive devices and regulated by the National Firearms Act. Does a "Destructive Device" sound like something you go duck hunting with? Unfortunately, with a few cosmetic tweaks, the same lethal weapons are manufactured for "sporting purposes."


Someone tell me where I can get a jackhammer cause honestly I did not know they were for sale outside of the military.

The Jackhammer automatic shotgun was developed by the US firearms designer John Andersen, who requested patents for the basic design of this shotgun in 1984. Since that time and until the late 1990s he continued to develop and improve his basic design but as far as I know failed to attract any serious buyers. In fact, only few working prototypes of the Jackhammer were ever built. Some sources stated that only two fully automatic prototypes are exist, and the Jane's Defense Library 2000 stated that the development is complete but production never began. At my opinion, the Jackhammer is a solution that still to have a question, and it possess some questionable features that can distract any serious military or police buyer. But, anyway, it is interesting design and well deserves its place both here and in the general firearms history.

This is from http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh10-e.htm
 
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