Oh DmL5 so much junk to debunk and so little time.
OK 1st I did not cherry pick that load, it just happen to provide a very defined yaw in it's ballistic test for me to highlight the expansion of the PWC at high speed. Besides it mimics the real world performance of your hotrod loads in pistol length barrels.
2nd the TSX load is experemental and in case you did not notice the PWC was very very small. Not exactly the dramatic effect that everyone like everyone has been talking about.
3rd I know TWC is a real secondary wounding effect, if you actualy READ what I have been wrighting you would know that. I addresed that on several occasions already.
4th Sure soft tissue closes up some behind any given porjectile as it slows down, and yet the 45ACP has been recorded making more PWC volume then any 9mm, 40, or 357 mag and a whole heck of alot more then any 5.7 that has ever been tested.
5th Really? Where are your numbers to support your claim that the bufflao bore makes a smaller TWC then any given 5.7 round? Other tests have 9mm projectiles making larger TWC then the uber fast 5.7 so where is your data? and who the heck are you to say that the energy does not matter? What magic or voodoo makes the 5.7s energy better despite the fact that there is less of it?
6th Momentum does not matter? Where the heck did you go to school? Your teacher needs to be fired, momentum makes a huge difference, it is absoluty vital to the performance of bullets, go tell a vetren big game hunter that he should replace his 400gr bullets in his 416 with 120gr bullets in a 7mm mag and watch him laugh at you. Video tape it when you tell him all about your energy theories and send me a copy, that would be histarical!
7th if the 28gr 5.7 expanded to .55-.65" like the 9mm it would stop on a dime and be flat as one as well, bullet caliber has been and will remain a fundimental aspect of terminal performance, that is not even in debate in any ballistics labs that I know of.
8th Sure, you very well might hit the 12" minimum with a couple of loads, but the 9mm can go as deep as 40" high SD allows greater versitility, reserch bullet construction.
9th We are not comparing armor piercing capability, but if we were there are several 9mm rounds that also pierce Lv III body armor and one that will penatrate 8mm of rolled steel. (more then the AP 5.7x28)
10th Really much higher capasity? Exactly one more round then a compact XDm 9mm does not qualify as "much higher". Recoil energy in a 9mm is a non-event, I can accuratly shoot one as fast as I can a 22, so that is not really a real world advantage for semi auto firearms.
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So let me now sum up what you are saying for the sake of all the people at home, energy does not matter, momentum does not matter, caliber does not matter, SD does not matter, and PWC does not matter. If it beats the 5.7 in ballistic gel tests the block must have been calibrated wrong, and everyone elses ballistic figures are all lies only FN tells the truth (yeah right) Does that sound objective or even remotly scientific to you? Think real hard about that. I have debated some very narrow minded people before, but with your statements you just took the cake
Forget fans the 5.7 has a cult who follow it blindly like some kind of Pagan god.
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Edit for Jath, first that was a 500 S&W not Nitro, read before you type, secondly I stand by me statment because the 44 passed throught the block with plenty of energy left over, you are assuming flush head on shots only, and every target haveing a slim torso, two clear logical errors. I never once said that TWC had no effect at all, now you are just outright lying in a sad attempt to discredit me. I understant the principles of the TWC better then most and a whole lot better then you, I am still waiting for this study of yours that shows TWC and PWC are directly related, you have said it over and over and I have asked as many times, seems to me like you really don't know what you are talking about, and have nothing to back it up......kinna sad.
I have seen the same theme with the 5.7 guys, alot of advertising hype about what it is supposed to do, but somehow the actual facts and mesurments are missing, when you ask for them they ignore you over and over again. I have brought my facts and figures to the table many times now, as well as information from well respected sources such as the FBIs ballistic resources, all I get in return is heresay, angry blaber, uneducated oppinions, and outright lies to attack my crediability. Now who is taking the more scientific approach and who is acting like a spoiled child throwing a temer tantrum?