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The line between enthusiasm for guns and an unhealthy obsession
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I know what you mean. I went golfing with a friend one time and he had this whole huge bag full of CLUBS! I had just my little ole nine iron and kept looking over my shoulder to see if he was about to CLUB me with one of those monster woodies!
Then he brings out balls galore. What the heck is wrong with snorkling after you one and only? Was he epxecting Godzilla to come along and eat a dozen of his balls that day?
Once he started stroking his clubs with those fuzzy cover things I was out of there. Too freaky and kinky for me.
We went shooting later and he brings along one wimpy .38 revolver with one box of ammo (130 gr FMJ even!). Geez, what the heck fun is THAT! Luckily I had a nice sampling of most of my calibers in pistol and rifle; maybe just the 20 niest ones to choose from. Not knowing what mood I might be in I brought along a few ammo cans and several boxes of ammo so we could play with mild target loads, full house blasters and some pet accuracy reloads I worked up.
About the time I started having fun shooting my incremental reloads for a new bullet weight and powder combo and recording the target results in my log book he has a brain siezure (or something) and walks off mumbling weird stuff.
Eight or ten rifles and a half dozen handguns is NOT an arsenal. A few ammo boxes is not an ammo dump! If he wants to see an arsenal than he should see the cool collection another buddy has. All I got back at home a two or three backups for my favorties (well OK maybe four or five backups for some). You can't hardly reload without 10,000 primers and about as many bullets (almost like there is a one to one correlation...).
Anyway the dummy is probaly back home fondling his ridiculous storehouse golf clubs and golf balls. Weird.
Then he brings out balls galore. What the heck is wrong with snorkling after you one and only? Was he epxecting Godzilla to come along and eat a dozen of his balls that day?
Once he started stroking his clubs with those fuzzy cover things I was out of there. Too freaky and kinky for me.
We went shooting later and he brings along one wimpy .38 revolver with one box of ammo (130 gr FMJ even!). Geez, what the heck fun is THAT! Luckily I had a nice sampling of most of my calibers in pistol and rifle; maybe just the 20 niest ones to choose from. Not knowing what mood I might be in I brought along a few ammo cans and several boxes of ammo so we could play with mild target loads, full house blasters and some pet accuracy reloads I worked up.
About the time I started having fun shooting my incremental reloads for a new bullet weight and powder combo and recording the target results in my log book he has a brain siezure (or something) and walks off mumbling weird stuff.
Eight or ten rifles and a half dozen handguns is NOT an arsenal. A few ammo boxes is not an ammo dump! If he wants to see an arsenal than he should see the cool collection another buddy has. All I got back at home a two or three backups for my favorties (well OK maybe four or five backups for some). You can't hardly reload without 10,000 primers and about as many bullets (almost like there is a one to one correlation...).Anyway the dummy is probaly back home fondling his ridiculous storehouse golf clubs and golf balls. Weird.
Rich K
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I usually take 6-8 handguns to the range, as I have some freinds who don't own a handgun and are thinking of buying one. They shoot mine and see what they like best. Same with rifles. Got to have ammo to feed them. It is avicious circle, buying guns and ammo, trying to feed this hobby of mine.
Sylvan-Forge
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""LOL, I knew this thread would hit raw nerves.""
Tsk Tsk.
Tsk Tsk.
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Powderman
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Insert sound of incoherent mumbling and profuse drooling here, plus some interspersed grunting, ala Tim Taylor.
Now, THAT's the way to go to the range!!!
ctdonath
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"I'm not worried about someone who wants 10 nuclear weapons.
I'm worried about someone who wants only one."
- _The_Peacemaker_
I've been known to haul a lot more to the range than I'd use in the session.
Sometimes it's just easier to heave it all in the car and decide what to use when I get there than to spend time deciding how to limit myself.
555 rounds per gun isn't outrageous for a range session, especially if it's smaller calibers, already packed in large-quantity boxes, and multiple types.
Yeah, it sounds like he's overdoing it. Nothing harmful, just self-correcting enthusiasm - a phase many go thru until figuring out what's really needed.
As for his tac vest, it's just kinda fun wearing certian outfits that just aren't suitable most places. My wife rather likes ;-) seeing me in cammo and shooting. Some of my more entertaining T-shirts would scare the sheeple, so they only get worn at the range.
People like him are not a problem.
People who think people like him are a problem, are a problem.
It's no different than millions of golf, football, car, knitting, boating, jewelry, shoe, bike, etc. fanatics who live-and-breathe their hobby to absurdity.
It's the people who feel compelled to interfere in the exercise of a hobby, when there is no indication of pending harm, that are the biggest problem.
I'm worried about someone who wants only one."
- _The_Peacemaker_
I've been known to haul a lot more to the range than I'd use in the session.
Sometimes it's just easier to heave it all in the car and decide what to use when I get there than to spend time deciding how to limit myself.
555 rounds per gun isn't outrageous for a range session, especially if it's smaller calibers, already packed in large-quantity boxes, and multiple types.
Yeah, it sounds like he's overdoing it. Nothing harmful, just self-correcting enthusiasm - a phase many go thru until figuring out what's really needed.
As for his tac vest, it's just kinda fun wearing certian outfits that just aren't suitable most places. My wife rather likes ;-) seeing me in cammo and shooting. Some of my more entertaining T-shirts would scare the sheeple, so they only get worn at the range.
People like him are not a problem.
People who think people like him are a problem, are a problem.
It's no different than millions of golf, football, car, knitting, boating, jewelry, shoe, bike, etc. fanatics who live-and-breathe their hobby to absurdity.
It's the people who feel compelled to interfere in the exercise of a hobby, when there is no indication of pending harm, that are the biggest problem.
Essex County
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Justaman, I've read this post several times....
What kind of obscure point were You trying to make? Essex
What kind of obscure point were You trying to make? Essex
Justin
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So you're not on board with free speech? Oops, I see you are a moderator. Nevermind.
NYET! Those who oppose the edicts of the moderating staff vill be zent to ze verk camps!
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He wanted attention. See the post where he says, "LOL, I knew this thread would hit raw nerves."
Here's a few more of his new posts posts, all topics sure to get to get lots of attention:
Will California be annexed to Mexico?
What is the best van to carry 50,000 rounds of ammunition and 25 BMG's?
.22lr vs 9mm fmj at close range
Can anyone say with conviction that a shotgun is the ultimate home defense tool?
Enthusiastic newbie or attention-seeking troll? I guess that's for the mods to decide.
Anyway, to answer the original question...
It becomes an unhealthy obsession when his attention to guns results in the detriment of his other obligations. If he buys 10,000 rounds of ammo and can't afford shoes for the kids, then there's a problem.
Then again, for many of us, the unhealthy part would come from the wife finding out.
Zundfolge
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Forget about those with "arsenals", remember the old saying; "Beware the man with only one gun as he'll know how to use it."
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Edit: Whoops, like others, I misread that he bought this all at once.
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Flak_Jakett
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Justaman wrote:
Sorry if that was me you were talking about. I was trying to be totally sarcastic not inflamed with rage. It is hard to type the sarcastic tone. Some type sarcasm in italics, but if I did that 90% of what I write would be italicised. Is that a word? (italicised)
Well, he got me to post a few times, nothing wrong with stimulating discussion. I found this thread to be at least a little amusing.
Sorry if that was me you were talking about. I was trying to be totally sarcastic not inflamed with rage. It is hard to type the sarcastic tone. Some type sarcasm in italics, but if I did that 90% of what I write would be italicised. Is that a word? (italicised)
Well, he got me to post a few times, nothing wrong with stimulating discussion. I found this thread to be at least a little amusing.
El Tejon
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There's a line now? 
A lot of people have clothing they dedicate to range use. They want to limit potential lead dust contamination so they wear the same clothing to the range all the time and can wash them separately. What you call a "tactical" vest, is probably just something convenient for range use. lots of pockets in the right places, etc.
IMO, five guns is not much of an assortment.
Bringing 10,000 rounds to the range might seem excessive, but you would be amazed at how much lead you can put downrange. better not to run out.
IMO, five guns is not much of an assortment.
Bringing 10,000 rounds to the range might seem excessive, but you would be amazed at how much lead you can put downrange. better not to run out.
sm
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Dr. Rob is correct.
Substitute in the paragraph he provided , edit as need:
Men and Tools,
Ladies and Shoes.
Audiophiles
Antiques, [break this down into say dishes, tea-cups, teaspoons, or "blue glassware"]
Geeks with Gadgets [2 cell phones, 2 i-pods and 2 laptops seen in use the other day by a lady and she was by herself, not watching someone else's stuff, she was uses two at a time, she said she had...multiples of every gadget, buys two at time of new gadgets]
Ink Pens
etc.
Substitute in the paragraph he provided , edit as need:
Men and Tools,
Ladies and Shoes.
Audiophiles
Antiques, [break this down into say dishes, tea-cups, teaspoons, or "blue glassware"]
Geeks with Gadgets [2 cell phones, 2 i-pods and 2 laptops seen in use the other day by a lady and she was by herself, not watching someone else's stuff, she was uses two at a time, she said she had...multiples of every gadget, buys two at time of new gadgets]
Ink Pens
etc.
I've been friends with people who got no money and grew up without any and I've been friends with people who have lots of money and grew up with lots. I gave up trying to judge people by the clothes they wear, the cars they drive, the homes they live in and the money they spend.
If someone spends money and it doesn't dent their disposable income too much, they're a hobbyist.
If they spend a significant portion of their disposable income on a something, they're a dedicated hobbyist.
If they spend all of their disposable income on something, they're a "(insert hobby) nut"
If they take money from what they would otherwise pay the rent/mortgage, buy groceries, pay for the kid's clothes, etc., they're way screwed in the head and need to seek help for their obsession.
If someone’s just discovered a new hobby they often splurge on it starting out and eventually calm down to a less exuberant level.
When those folks tire of the hobby is when you can get some great deals.
If someone spends money and it doesn't dent their disposable income too much, they're a hobbyist.
If they spend a significant portion of their disposable income on a something, they're a dedicated hobbyist.
If they spend all of their disposable income on something, they're a "(insert hobby) nut"
If they take money from what they would otherwise pay the rent/mortgage, buy groceries, pay for the kid's clothes, etc., they're way screwed in the head and need to seek help for their obsession.
If someone’s just discovered a new hobby they often splurge on it starting out and eventually calm down to a less exuberant level.
When those folks tire of the hobby is when you can get some great deals.
Byron Quick
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What arsenal? What ammunition stockpile? Last time I did a thorough clean of my pickup, I got almost a thousand rounds of various calibers that were rolling around loose on the floorboard and bed. He only had three rifles at the range? You only have five firearms? Pikers.
danurve
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IMO, five guns is not much of an assortment.
Perhaps not, but I bet the shooters on a budget with around five take decent care of what they got. I'm a bit envious of people with 2-3+ full gun safes. Then again if I can stick to my plan and get a new gun every year, I'll need a new or bigger safe myself in two years.
As for myself renting where I live, I can't see owning more guns then I won't use. As far as collecting goes that's a hobby I wish I had the diggs and cash flow for.
Perhaps not, but I bet the shooters on a budget with around five take decent care of what they got. I'm a bit envious of people with 2-3+ full gun safes. Then again if I can stick to my plan and get a new gun every year, I'll need a new or bigger safe myself in two years.
As for myself renting where I live, I can't see owning more guns then I won't use. As far as collecting goes that's a hobby I wish I had the diggs and cash flow for.
You guys are making the assumption that he bought that stuff all at once. There are plenty of people that buy a case a month whether they need it or not. Doing it that way isn't such a monumental expense.
As for the number of rifles, well its paltry.
As for the attire, well I'm inclined to think that theres part of us from circa 5 years old that never really leaves, which includes dressing up like john rambo and such. Not a big deal if some actually do it. Maybe its for comfort, and maybe they are just having fun. Hell, I still pretend the button on my e brake is there for an ejector seat.
As for the number of rifles, well its paltry.
As for the attire, well I'm inclined to think that theres part of us from circa 5 years old that never really leaves, which includes dressing up like john rambo and such. Not a big deal if some actually do it. Maybe its for comfort, and maybe they are just having fun. Hell, I still pretend the button on my e brake is there for an ejector seat.
XD Fan
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Maybe it just means a poor enthusiast.
Still, the only thing that bothers me about Justaman's friend's "arsenal" is that I am jealous (I only own 6).
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I AM A TRAINED mental health care worker. your family members is clearly heading towards psychosis. if untreated he is likely to never recover from his/her obsession with gun and ammunition.
while i can not give too much counseling over the internet i can however give you the first of twleve steps that will help him over this very traumatic event:
1,take all of his/her guns and ammo
2, take all of your gun/ammo
3, take them to your neaerest UPS dealer
4, send them to me for immediate ummmm destruction.
seriously, all hobbies can lead to obsession which itself is not necessarily unhealthy. if a hobby causes disruption in normal family or social interactions then it is unhealthy.
my mental health training comes from watching a lot of discovery channel
I AM A TRAINED mental health care worker. your family members is clearly heading towards psychosis. if untreated he is likely to never recover from his/her obsession with gun and ammunition.
while i can not give too much counseling over the internet i can however give you the first of twleve steps that will help him over this very traumatic event:
1,take all of his/her guns and ammo
2, take all of your gun/ammo
3, take them to your neaerest UPS dealer
4, send them to me for immediate ummmm destruction.
seriously, all hobbies can lead to obsession which itself is not necessarily unhealthy. if a hobby causes disruption in normal family or social interactions then it is unhealthy.
my mental health training comes from watching a lot of discovery channel
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