Balog
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Marko beat me to it. Home-schooling is the only way to go.
The madness Continues, suspending 3rd graders
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slightly-abnorml
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My 5 year old is in preschool. My brother gave her a Foam Ball shotgun for christmas. I thought that her teacher was going to have a heart attack when she told her, that her uncle got her a gun for christmas. 
I can only imagine what the teacher would have said if she had wanted to bring it for show and tell. The local High school does random searches of vehicles during deer season, since a majority of the students hunt before and after school.
As far as this goes. A toy is a toy, and kids are kids. I'm surprised that These individuals haven't managed to get TOY guns and other toy weapons declared a danger to the public, and the children that play with them declared a danger to themselves and others.
My daughter is educated about guns, she knows to leave them alone unless Mom, Dad or Grandpa and Grandma, let her hold them.
When My kids get old enough to have a gun, you bet they will have one. My 5 year old has had her eye on a .22 at the gunshop for quite a while, and when she gets big enough she will get it
I can only imagine what the teacher would have said if she had wanted to bring it for show and tell. The local High school does random searches of vehicles during deer season, since a majority of the students hunt before and after school.
As far as this goes. A toy is a toy, and kids are kids. I'm surprised that These individuals haven't managed to get TOY guns and other toy weapons declared a danger to the public, and the children that play with them declared a danger to themselves and others.
My daughter is educated about guns, she knows to leave them alone unless Mom, Dad or Grandpa and Grandma, let her hold them.
When My kids get old enough to have a gun, you bet they will have one. My 5 year old has had her eye on a .22 at the gunshop for quite a while, and when she gets big enough she will get it
TallPine
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Treat enough kids like this over a long enough period of time, and it's no surprise that once in a while one of them cracks and goes on a violent rampage.
Yeah, I wonder how many children felt threatened by GI Joe action figure guns. Let's be honest, this has absolutely nothing to do with child safety. It is 100% about trying to institutionalize a hatred/fear of firearms at a young age. It's about control, as has been stated.
Ugh, this makes me absolutely sick.
Car Knocker
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tyme,
The State Board of Education sets educational standards and goals but the local school board determines what policy will be in their school district. This is why neighboring school districts have varying policies on issues. For example, one district will require school uniforms in its elementary schools and an adjacent school district will not. Dress codes and grooming standards vary from district to district. In Utah, it is legal for school employees to carry a concealed weapon on school property however different districts have different policies dealing with this (liability, off-body carry, etc.).
Local school board elections are *generally* non-partisan. Anyone can run without worrying about party affiliation. You just need to make up a lot of yard signs and be able to articulate a viable position to have as good a chance as anyone else. As in any other public endeavor, name recognition is a big factor at the polls. GOYAAKOD.
The State Board of Education sets educational standards and goals but the local school board determines what policy will be in their school district. This is why neighboring school districts have varying policies on issues. For example, one district will require school uniforms in its elementary schools and an adjacent school district will not. Dress codes and grooming standards vary from district to district. In Utah, it is legal for school employees to carry a concealed weapon on school property however different districts have different policies dealing with this (liability, off-body carry, etc.).
Local school board elections are *generally* non-partisan. Anyone can run without worrying about party affiliation. You just need to make up a lot of yard signs and be able to articulate a viable position to have as good a chance as anyone else. As in any other public endeavor, name recognition is a big factor at the polls. GOYAAKOD.
Master Blaster
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My wife bought my son age 5 the GI Joe abrams battle tank, Its very cool, it has a joystick control that folds out of the back and allows you push the tank and aim the turrett cannon and fire the big gun. If you hold the trigger it will fire all 25 rounds one after the other. It makes all kinds of cool tank sounds.
It came with 25 tank sabot rounds that load into an auto feed hopper.
My 7 year old daughter was jealous, so my son shares it with her.
Lets just say that the Booratz Mini Cooper is filled with pretend holes, and the booratz and barbie terrorists that drive it have been annhilated.
If he had brought this into school no doubt the whinners would have pooped their panties.
If any ninnies are inndoctrinating your children at school, then it is up to you to spend time with them and counteract the negative images of freedom loving americans that some schools seem too be conveying.
My daughters 1st grade class, had representatives from the army, airforce, navy, marines, and the national guard come to their school so they could learn about the military and express their appreciation.
This included the DE national Guard honor guard, who were carrying 2 M1 Garrands in their school. (no they did not fire them in the cafateria)
It came with 25 tank sabot rounds that load into an auto feed hopper.
My 7 year old daughter was jealous, so my son shares it with her.
Lets just say that the Booratz Mini Cooper is filled with pretend holes, and the booratz and barbie terrorists that drive it have been annhilated.
If he had brought this into school no doubt the whinners would have pooped their panties.
If any ninnies are inndoctrinating your children at school, then it is up to you to spend time with them and counteract the negative images of freedom loving americans that some schools seem too be conveying.
My daughters 1st grade class, had representatives from the army, airforce, navy, marines, and the national guard come to their school so they could learn about the military and express their appreciation.
This included the DE national Guard honor guard, who were carrying 2 M1 Garrands in their school. (no they did not fire them in the cafateria)
Am I the only one...
... who wrote a letter to the stupid bureaucrats in question?
Two pages worth of preaching to the choir is great, but maybe we should get in the habit of channelling that keyboard rage into something useful.
Just a thought.
Oh, Marko's right about homeschooling. Government schools are very unhealthy places for children to be.
pax
Compulsory schooling is a tyranny and a crime against the human mind and spirit. Let all those escape it who can, any way they can. – John Holt
... who wrote a letter to the stupid bureaucrats in question?
Two pages worth of preaching to the choir is great, but maybe we should get in the habit of channelling that keyboard rage into something useful.
Just a thought.
Oh, Marko's right about homeschooling. Government schools are very unhealthy places for children to be.
pax
Compulsory schooling is a tyranny and a crime against the human mind and spirit. Let all those escape it who can, any way they can. – John Holt
Balog
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pax: I generally think that letters to local government institutions from out of state are less than effective. If I truly believed that an outraged letter from a childless guy in Arizona could have a positive result I'd send it. As it is, I'd rather not waste my time. I could be wrong tho.
Sam Adams
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Master Blaster
My uncle, along with many of his schoolmates, openly carried a real rifle (a .22 rimfire) through the streets of New York City (in Queens, for those who care) on his way to school, and then put the gun in his locker. Many, many times. You see, during the early- and mid-1960's, when there was a modicum of sense in our society, high schools actually had shooting teams and practiced on school grounds. Oh, and not one of them ever even thought about using those guns to shoot their fellow students or teachers (well, OK, maybe they thought about shooting some teacher, but they never actually did it). Fights were settled with fists, not guns.
I imagine that if someone tried that today - especially in NYC - about 3/4 of the teachers would need new underwear, and most of the rest would probably die of sheer fright. What has happened to our society is that the anti-Americans have intimidated everyone else from acting in a normal manner. If this is kept up for too long, people are going to forget how to act normally - and I believe that this is precisely the goal of those who came up with the idea of "politically correct."
My uncle, along with many of his schoolmates, openly carried a real rifle (a .22 rimfire) through the streets of New York City (in Queens, for those who care) on his way to school, and then put the gun in his locker. Many, many times. You see, during the early- and mid-1960's, when there was a modicum of sense in our society, high schools actually had shooting teams and practiced on school grounds. Oh, and not one of them ever even thought about using those guns to shoot their fellow students or teachers (well, OK, maybe they thought about shooting some teacher, but they never actually did it). Fights were settled with fists, not guns.
I imagine that if someone tried that today - especially in NYC - about 3/4 of the teachers would need new underwear, and most of the rest would probably die of sheer fright. What has happened to our society is that the anti-Americans have intimidated everyone else from acting in a normal manner. If this is kept up for too long, people are going to forget how to act normally - and I believe that this is precisely the goal of those who came up with the idea of "politically correct."
Sure, Balog. Time's precious and all that, no one wants to waste it.
But it took me perhaps two minutes more than I would have spent typing a response only to the choir here, to instead type a response that I could post to this thread and send to the bureaucrat in question. I hardly think that's a significant waste of time. I wasted more time popping a zit this morning than I did writing that response last night.
As for your other objection, you could be right. But really, I don't think it does any harm to let idiots know that people clear across the country are laughing at their idiocy. Don't underestimate the power of group ridicule!
pax
Whenever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to ensure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery. – Benjamin Disraeli
But it took me perhaps two minutes more than I would have spent typing a response only to the choir here, to instead type a response that I could post to this thread and send to the bureaucrat in question. I hardly think that's a significant waste of time. I wasted more time popping a zit this morning than I did writing that response last night.
As for your other objection, you could be right. But really, I don't think it does any harm to let idiots know that people clear across the country are laughing at their idiocy. Don't underestimate the power of group ridicule!
pax
Whenever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to ensure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery. – Benjamin Disraeli
Balog
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pax: it's not so much the time I would spend. I agree that it is insignificant. I simply dislike engaging in what I feel to be a pointless endeavour. I get frustrated enough banging my head against the proverbial wall attempting to influence change in my own area. But as I said, you are probably correct in that it couldn't hurt.
Unisaw
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The principal's email address is: [email protected] I'm planning on writing her a brief email.
Definition of irony:
According to this URL (http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/wa/pqview/1784), the school's mission is "Every child will have the academic and social skills and abilities to make choices in their lives."
Definition of irony:
According to this URL (http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/wa/pqview/1784), the school's mission is "Every child will have the academic and social skills and abilities to make choices in their lives."
TallPine
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I certainly wouldn't want the inhabitants of another state trying to tell MY school board, senator, or congressman what to do.
Fudgie Ghost
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I am convinced that, centuries from now, historians and anthropologists studying our era will look back in amazement and wonderment, much as we look back at the "dark ages" at how seemingly otherwise rational humans could think and act like. . . complete MORONS!
Someone very wise once described those "dark ages" as a time when "the mutilation of intellegence was complete". How else can you describe indivuduals who think as those at this school? How did we as a society produce such dolts? And how are they put in postions of power and influence?
We are, in many ways, living in a "New Dark Age", but instead of superstition and repressive religious dogma, we have the tyranny of legality over morality, political correctness over common sense.
A pox on their houses!
Someone very wise once described those "dark ages" as a time when "the mutilation of intellegence was complete". How else can you describe indivuduals who think as those at this school? How did we as a society produce such dolts? And how are they put in postions of power and influence?
We are, in many ways, living in a "New Dark Age", but instead of superstition and repressive religious dogma, we have the tyranny of legality over morality, political correctness over common sense.
A pox on their houses!
jimpeel
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My letter to Ms. Spear:
Dear Ms. Spear,
I wrote an editorial piece for the Attleboro, MA Sun-Chronicle a few years ago on zero-tolerance entitled "The Death of Goodness In America". In its conclusion I stated:
"When we treat everyone as a criminal, a ne’er-do-well, a druggie, a purveyor; we also create hostile, disrespectful, angry human beings that will at some point live up to those expectations. We instill in the young that there is no goodness.
"The time has come for the people of this nation to realize that zero-tolerance, and like laws, are destructive to our nation and our system of laws and government. The people of this nation must realize that it is time to do away with these destructive laws and return to the common sense approach to the laws that built this nation. Only through the destruction of these laws can we as a nation return to a system that seeks out and reveres goodness."
I have attached a copy for your perusal.
I am sorry that the recent incident at your school has made you part of that equation.
Respectfully Yours,
Jim Peel
Kimball, NE
Dear Ms. Spear,
I wrote an editorial piece for the Attleboro, MA Sun-Chronicle a few years ago on zero-tolerance entitled "The Death of Goodness In America". In its conclusion I stated:
"When we treat everyone as a criminal, a ne’er-do-well, a druggie, a purveyor; we also create hostile, disrespectful, angry human beings that will at some point live up to those expectations. We instill in the young that there is no goodness.
"The time has come for the people of this nation to realize that zero-tolerance, and like laws, are destructive to our nation and our system of laws and government. The people of this nation must realize that it is time to do away with these destructive laws and return to the common sense approach to the laws that built this nation. Only through the destruction of these laws can we as a nation return to a system that seeks out and reveres goodness."
I have attached a copy for your perusal.
I am sorry that the recent incident at your school has made you part of that equation.
Respectfully Yours,
Jim Peel
Kimball, NE
jimpeel
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Lord knows, nothing they could do would have any effect on the rest of us. Dianne Fienstein was my Senator in 1994 and the only effect the AWB has had is on the inhabitants of California. Once I moved out of California, I was, magically, no longer affected.
Thank God the residents of Montana were likewise unaffected.
I just love magic.
Braz
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This is a heart breaking thread,
These rules are for the safety of the children. That means these folks can't trust the other parent's kids, isn't that correct? They are afraid without strict adherence to a policy that bans speaking about guns, pictures of guns, toy guns, and now this latest bizarre episode, a doll's miniature gun, their children will be killed by another kid.
And they wonder what makes some of today's kids cynical or crazy.
Let me ask you folks a question. If something was forbidden to you as a kid, did it make you want to try it all the more? That's the way it was for me. The more adults hide from kids, the less those children will trust and respect them. For an adult to tell a kid not to even talk about weapons is inviting disaster, imo.
You herd cattle, you lead people.
These rules are for the safety of the children. That means these folks can't trust the other parent's kids, isn't that correct? They are afraid without strict adherence to a policy that bans speaking about guns, pictures of guns, toy guns, and now this latest bizarre episode, a doll's miniature gun, their children will be killed by another kid.
And they wonder what makes some of today's kids cynical or crazy.
Let me ask you folks a question. If something was forbidden to you as a kid, did it make you want to try it all the more? That's the way it was for me. The more adults hide from kids, the less those children will trust and respect them. For an adult to tell a kid not to even talk about weapons is inviting disaster, imo.
You herd cattle, you lead people.
Art Eatman
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I sent Principal Lorna a polite email, offering some thoughts on the falsities of "zero tolerance".
Her response was, "Thank you for sharing your thoughts and I agree with much of what you say. As you know, the reported word is not always the entire story. Thanks for taking time to write."
So, there may well be more to the deal than the newspaper article. Dunno.
Art
Her response was, "Thank you for sharing your thoughts and I agree with much of what you say. As you know, the reported word is not always the entire story. Thanks for taking time to write."
So, there may well be more to the deal than the newspaper article. Dunno.
Art
Amish_Bill
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Even pictures of guns are verbotten... I wonder - how do the history books illustrate soldiers and police, or talk about the Civil War, Vietnam, Korea, Gulf I and II, WW1, WWII....????
I expect it will be a few years before it is un-crated, but hey.. why wait to lay the groundwork?
He he he.... My buddy is about to have a kid. It's just a matter of weeks till the wife presents him with a little boy. I've pulled the friend's together and we're buying him a Henry single-shot .22lr stainless & synthetic Youth Model. It will be presented, complete with storage case, ammo, youth sized eye & ear protection and cleaning gear as close to the actual day of birth as possible.
I expect it will be a few years before it is un-crated, but hey.. why wait to lay the groundwork?
jimpeel
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I couldn't wait to be sent to the barber shop when I was a kid because they had Playboy magazine and didn't stop me from "reading" it. I never could have done that at home.
jimpeel
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Art Eatman
At least you got a response. I'm still waiting for mine.
Bob R
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The outcome in today's rag;
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news-story.asp?date=012804&ID=s1479091&cat=section.spokane
bob
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news-story.asp?date=012804&ID=s1479091&cat=section.spokane
bob
Bob R
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From the same paper, a voice in the darkness:
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news-story.asp?date=012804&ID=s1478817&cat=section.commentary
bob
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news-story.asp?date=012804&ID=s1478817&cat=section.commentary
bob
7.62FullMetalJacket
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LMAO
Man, a long way from when I grew up in the 40's, nothing like a group of 9
year old boys talking about how many squirrels they shot the previous
evening after school, and guess what, not one of these kids ever discussed
hurting anyone, most that I stayed in contact with grew up to be excellent
family men, amazing, huh.
year old boys talking about how many squirrels they shot the previous
evening after school, and guess what, not one of these kids ever discussed
hurting anyone, most that I stayed in contact with grew up to be excellent
family men, amazing, huh.
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