Hmmm, sounds like my relationship with my bleeding heart, liberal, near Communist In-laws.
My wife and I haven't spoken for two days because she thinks I "wasn't being nice" to her mother when she was spouting off about how great John Kerry is.
The next Civil War
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Hmmm, sounds like my relationship with my bleeding heart, liberal, near Communist In-laws.
My wife and I haven't spoken for two days because she thinks I "wasn't being nice" to her mother when she was spouting off about how great John Kerry is.
Not responding to anyone inparticular, but the one thing I'm really looking forward to after tomorrow is everyone SHUTTING THE HELL UP about all this "Next Civil War" crap.
Christ, to listen to this stuff you'd think that we've never had a close election before. From what I understand (I'm too young to remember), the '84 election was pretty bad, the '72 election sucked, '76 wasn't too great and that's not even mentioning the close calls of the 1880's.
I tire mightily of reading crap like this (comment 13):
"Fran, I raised the same question at Cold Fury: should we kill the leftists in our midst before they get us all killed, left and right alike?"
http://www.eternityroad.info/index.php/weblog/single/too_plaintive_to_be_borne/
Riots? Could be, I don't know. Judge your area, and prepare accordingly.
This "Civil War" paranoia just makes gun owners look like kooks.
Sheesh. If Y2K was nothing, this won't be that bad.
Can't we have a nice refreshing 9mm vs. .45 discussion?
Christ, to listen to this stuff you'd think that we've never had a close election before. From what I understand (I'm too young to remember), the '84 election was pretty bad, the '72 election sucked, '76 wasn't too great and that's not even mentioning the close calls of the 1880's.
I tire mightily of reading crap like this (comment 13):
"Fran, I raised the same question at Cold Fury: should we kill the leftists in our midst before they get us all killed, left and right alike?"
http://www.eternityroad.info/index.php/weblog/single/too_plaintive_to_be_borne/
Riots? Could be, I don't know. Judge your area, and prepare accordingly.
This "Civil War" paranoia just makes gun owners look like kooks.
Sheesh. If Y2K was nothing, this won't be that bad.
Can't we have a nice refreshing 9mm vs. .45 discussion?
FilJos
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Yep... 1984 was pretty bad. It was just SOOOOOO close.
And '72 was so close it sucked...
There was a 57 point spread in '76 but the graphic isn't quite so dramatic.
The spreads from the "close calls" of the 1880's go as follows:
1880: R-214, D-155 =59
1884: D-219, R-182 =37 (You could say this was kind of close)
1888: R-233, D-168 =65
Waitone
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I was alive and politically active during all the elections you mentioned.
I assure you this election is in a class all by itself. I just hope (hope is not a method) this is not the wave of the future. I am seeing stuff this time around that I thought I'd never see in a US election. This country is more polarized now than during Watergate. The only thing keeping it out of the league of Vietnam is the absence of street protests, violence, and riots. The same leadership of the anti-VN movement is in place and functioning now. So perhaps we will match VN.
What is happening now is an assault on the institutions by which we govern ourselves. And for that reason I think the possibility of violence is significantly higher than in previous presidential elections.
I assure you this election is in a class all by itself. I just hope (hope is not a method) this is not the wave of the future. I am seeing stuff this time around that I thought I'd never see in a US election. This country is more polarized now than during Watergate. The only thing keeping it out of the league of Vietnam is the absence of street protests, violence, and riots. The same leadership of the anti-VN movement is in place and functioning now. So perhaps we will match VN.
What is happening now is an assault on the institutions by which we govern ourselves. And for that reason I think the possibility of violence is significantly higher than in previous presidential elections.
Mizzoutiger
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I can't say that if Kerry wins, I won't want to be the one taking the first shot of the future civil war.
longeyes
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Yeah, it's all crap. Suffrage is being debased. The rule of law is under attack. The family, marriage, religion, and the military are mocked. Yeah, it's all crap.
You may change your mind when Internet sites are censored, the talk radio rightwing spearcarriers are yanked off the air under the guise of "fairness," and we are presented with a U.K.-style gun ban for private citizens to conform our nation to the ideals of the United Nations.
Thumper
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OtG, if you can get to a phone, call me: I will come over and make whoever's forcing you to read this thread stop.
Strings
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>And for that reason I think the possibility of violence is significantly higher than in previous presidential elections.<
Umm... pardon the strength of this post, please, but...
We've bloody well already had violence!!!!
Not talking about the minor vandalizm (and I don't recall hearing about that much vandalizm in the past), but we've even had shots fired into a Repub Campaign HQ (nobody present at the time, IIRC, but still)! Violence in not in the "possibility" category any more. Now, it's kinda a question of severity...
(the above assumes Bush wins, of course)
Umm... pardon the strength of this post, please, but...
We've bloody well already had violence!!!!
Not talking about the minor vandalizm (and I don't recall hearing about that much vandalizm in the past), but we've even had shots fired into a Repub Campaign HQ (nobody present at the time, IIRC, but still)! Violence in not in the "possibility" category any more. Now, it's kinda a question of severity...
(the above assumes Bush wins, of course)
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No, but Antichrist endorsed him
.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1252699/posts
(It's a funny, but the web site it links to I find seriously creepy.)
Not ever havin' been to Hebrew school, wazzat?
Lord Bodak
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Civil War? Not yet. I'm a little concerned about a close contested election leading to some violence, but I think we're a long way away from Civil War. Who the leader is won't cause it, how the leader acts will.
longeyes
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One thing's obvious: If Kerry wins--and I don't know that he will--he is not going to have a mandate, to put it mildly. He'd best keep that in mind. If the Dems start looking at this--again if he wins--as Payback Time, we are headed for some serious upheaval.
Personally, I don't see how Kerry can possibly function, given his background and record, as an effective Commander-in-Chief. Unfortunately, a lot of American voters don't seem to get that very basic reality.
Personally, I don't see how Kerry can possibly function, given his background and record, as an effective Commander-in-Chief. Unfortunately, a lot of American voters don't seem to get that very basic reality.
www.johntitor.com. In '00 i was curious. In '01 I was interested. In '04 i believed. Careful about processed beef. Read it. Follow. At worst, you'll be healthier, have a few more guns, and be better prepared if the power goes out.
FilJos:
I was referring to the mood of the country. Not how close it was. And like I said, I wasn't alive. Care to remind me how loving and happy the Nixon/Johnson and Reagan/Carter elections were? (looks like I was off by an election in each case)
The POINT is that during the 68 election, hell during the late 60's, early 70's, there was actually rioting in the streets. We ain't getting that. Protests? Yes, peaceful ones. I think the rioting in Seattle a few years ago was worse. Hell, the riots after the Sox won the ALCS were more dangerous than most of the political protests.
1876:
Rutherford B. Hayes 185
Samuel J. Tilden 184
From the 1840 election (Harrison 234, Van Buren 60)
Who rules us with an iron rod?
Who moves at Satan's beck and nod?
Who heeds not man,
Who heeds not God?
Van Buren, Van Buren!
Who would his friends, his country sell
Do other deeds too base to tell
Deserves the lowest place in hell
Van Buren, Van Buren!
Angry election are not necessarily close elections.
If Bush wins Ohio (and it looks like he will), he'll win by ~60 votes. Not that close.
Thumper:
I did stop, in fact. No need for you to get up. Just checked in a minute ago.
I guess my problem is that I'm trying reallyreally hard to convince myself that most gun owners aren't a 6-pack and a botched FBI raid away from gearing up to take on the Feds.
This kind of crap ain't helping.
I was referring to the mood of the country. Not how close it was. And like I said, I wasn't alive. Care to remind me how loving and happy the Nixon/Johnson and Reagan/Carter elections were? (looks like I was off by an election in each case)
The POINT is that during the 68 election, hell during the late 60's, early 70's, there was actually rioting in the streets. We ain't getting that. Protests? Yes, peaceful ones. I think the rioting in Seattle a few years ago was worse. Hell, the riots after the Sox won the ALCS were more dangerous than most of the political protests.
1876:
Rutherford B. Hayes 185
Samuel J. Tilden 184
From the 1840 election (Harrison 234, Van Buren 60)
Who rules us with an iron rod?
Who moves at Satan's beck and nod?
Who heeds not man,
Who heeds not God?
Van Buren, Van Buren!
Who would his friends, his country sell
Do other deeds too base to tell
Deserves the lowest place in hell
Van Buren, Van Buren!
Angry election are not necessarily close elections.
If Bush wins Ohio (and it looks like he will), he'll win by ~60 votes. Not that close.
Thumper:
I did stop, in fact. No need for you to get up. Just checked in a minute ago.
I guess my problem is that I'm trying reallyreally hard to convince myself that most gun owners aren't a 6-pack and a botched FBI raid away from gearing up to take on the Feds.
This kind of crap ain't helping.
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