DRZinn
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No, no, and no. Sorry, try again.- The Navy owns the Marines and if one Coast Guard officer is placed in command of a Marine Unit the President can order it to conduct any operation that would otherwise be legal.
No, no, and no. Sorry, try again.- The Navy owns the Marines and if one Coast Guard officer is placed in command of a Marine Unit the President can order it to conduct any operation that would otherwise be legal.
Well, this is why I say our Republic is lost. Silliman, you can check the law. It is one of the biggest steals of American civil liberities in history.
The Coast Guard is completely exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act. The President can order the Coast Guard to do anything that is not a violation of other law. For example, the Coast Guard could be ordered to support and assist the FBI or BATFE
- The Navy owns the Marines and if one Coast Guard officer is placed in command of a Marine Unit the President can order it to conduct any operation that would otherwise be legal.
No, no, and no. Sorry, try again.
So yes, posse comitatus has nothing to do with the Coast Guard. Though it was approved by the Navy, the only instances I can readily think of where Naval reservists fall under Coastie command are at HDCU's. As to the Marine Corps(Happy early birthday.) it aint gonna happen.
http://www.jcs.mil/about_cjs.htmlThe Navy owns the Marines
So much for that part.The Joint Chiefs of Staff consist of the Chairman, the Vice Chairman, the Chief of Staff of the Army, the Chief of Naval Operations, the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, and the Commandant of the Marine Corps.
The President already has broad powers to deploy National Guard troops (that's the Army) and Marines (that's the Marine Corps) to suppress rebellion and provide disaster relief. The fact that you saw a Coast Guard officer in charge of some Marines doing disaster relief means nothing.and if one Coast Guard officer is placed in command of a Marine Unit the President can order it to conduct any operation that would otherwise be legal.
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The Navy owns the Marines
http://www.jcs.mil/about_cjs.html
So much for that part.The Joint Chiefs of Staff consist of the Chairman, the Vice Chairman, the Chief of Staff of the Army, the Chief of Naval Operations, the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, and the Commandant of the Marine Corps.
The President already has broad powers to deploy National Guard troops (that's the Army) and Marines (that's the Marine Corps) to suppress rebellion and provide disaster relief.
This is just one simple way around the Posse Comitatus Act. I hear there are others, I'm just not interested enough to look them up.
The fact that you saw a Coast Guard officer in charge of some Marines doing disaster relief means nothing.
The Department of the Navy is not the Navy.Yes, they have their own seat on the joint chiefs of staff (now). What they don't have is their own service secretary. They are part of the department of the navy and fall under the secretary of the navy.
They also don't have their own academy. Midshipmen from Annapolis are given the choice upon graduation of becoming naval officers or marine officers. Again, that's because they're both the department of the navy.
I was in the Marines and worked with the coast gaurd. But they never were in control of us. We had our orders and worked with them at times.
The Department of the Navy is not the Navy.
If it's illegal for the Marines to do it, putting a Coast Guard officer in charge wouldn't change that.
I think it would change it. I think that there's legal precedent in terms of drug smuggling arrests where other members of the department of the navy were put under Coast Guard command. But I can't prove it, so whatever.
That wasn't hyperbole, it was simply incorrect.I never said the marines were the navy, I said they were owned by the navy. That was a bit of hyperbole.
General Peter Pace-Chairman-United States Marine Corps
Admiral Edmund P. Giambastiani, Jr.-Vice Chairman-United States Navy
General Peter J. Schoomaker-Chief of Staff of the United States Army-United States Army
Admiral Michael G. Mullen-Chief of Naval Operations-United States Navy
General Michael W. Hagee-Commandant of the Marine Corps-United States Marine Corps
General T. Michael Moseley-Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force-United States Air Force
That's a hopeful sentiment - were that it was true.ManedWolf said:The only thing that says they can't do that, and they know it, too, is millions with hunting rifles when they're far away, and millions with carbines and handguns when they're closer up.We can debate constitutional provisions, but when they are kicking in your door with M16's you either submit or die... That is all.
Any attempt at JBT martial law would result in millions upon millions of scoped deer rifles poking out of the windows of millions of houses, and the sharp cracks of said rifles coming from everywhere and nowhere. And anyone with aspirations of dictatorship knows that.