The process of making a cylinder!

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I DID say "The MANN notwistanding."

That means I would believe what HE says, and you're right, I spoke with somebody, I presume it was he. At least he had a greater grasp of his subject than you guys seem to.

A Google search found a site selling 250 grade for 243 bucks per half foot, to 350 grade for 325 or so, and it is minus nothing, plus .031.

I speak Serbian, so don't need you to teach me what the eh sound is. We do not pronounce it as "AY" as you seem to think I did, as the Canadians and just this side of the border pipple do.

It's on the Forum, I am as entitled to read and respond as any other member is. I only think that you guys are pushing a little hard. Jule does not come across as you 2 do in your spiels. Try a little less hard. Give us the facts, save your enthusiastic rants. Clear the stuff with Jule, for Pete's sake.

And, for your information, the "j" is pronounced as a "y" in my forbear's tongue, as in Jugoslavia, it is Yugoslavia here.

I am not totally down on your products, or the MANN's. I could be interested in the original swaged bullet, if I saw some reports of how they performed. NOT the moulds for the cast version. I have learned I don't have the time, as of now, to devote to casting, no matter how little time it actually takes to cast a few hundred.

Been busy, bad back and all (yes, I have at least as much back trouble as Jule has, I had to retire because of it( with my kid's new house, teaching her husband how to fix this or that. Hell, he called me a few hours ago to tell me he has a big problem, the alarm has sounded to tell him the pump to his sand mound sewage system has gone off. 6 month old 500 buck pump, with a 3 year warranty seems to not be working.

One more thing to interfere with my shooting. Can't get the time to get enough shooting in. 7 days a week of no work, 1 day a week of actual shooting, and that with a range in the back yard, at least a 20 foot high pile of dirt to shoot into, with 2 acres of their own land behind it.

I've b'marked your new forum page, don't know if I will be welcome there, it IS your own page, if you don't like me, you can just deny me access. I don't just as a matter of course badmouth people or products. I DO argue with people saying things that are exaggerations or just downright untruths.

I'll try to sign up there, may lurk a while, unless there is anything I can contribute. Hell, the other forums are getting to be dead, particularly TFL. NOONE is posting there, anymore. About 3 days of downtime, all dead.

Cheers,
George
 
Hell Goerge I haven't seen ya down home in the forum starte worryin' 'bout ya...I guess you're ok from what I can tell. Stop in and say hi we been busy there...
Hope that pump ain't gone south and you don't have to work on it...
See ya when there George...
;)
 
GEORGE!

Tha BOSS DONT use discount grade UNCERTIFIED material. Or didnt ya know about that? An mebbe in george's world magnafluxin, x-ray and a buncha other testin comes fer free, but it dont on planet earth. Or didya think safety and insurin someone's cylinder is RIGHT unimportant?

And i DONT need tha language lesson, ya see, i LIVE right on tha bosses property, get all i can handle here!

And while yer complainin, i DONT see ya coming up WITH A BETTER WAY ta PROMOTE i'd call it mentionin tha products fer him. unless ya got more'n hot air ta sell yerself, and bein such an expert on EVERTHIN why're ya not helpin instead of complainin? Remind me of one o those guys that tells ya HOW yer doing it wrong diggin that ditch but aint doin sqaut themselves.

An tha BOSS decides whos welcome on tha forum, not me, not third rail. An right now i dont know ifin yer welcome!
 
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Getting back on topic...

Here's the cylinder in process, next to an 1858 Remington cylinder, and compared to the revolver it will be going on.

The cylinder is bored .500, the accuracy of the boring re: degrees has been confirmed, and the next step is to rebate the cylinder.

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Next time you see this revolver, it'll be solid frame, not open top! The barrel, rammer, arbor, cylinder, and other parts will be discarded, and it will look like quite an interesting piece indeed!
 

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Wouldn't it have been better to get the rebate on the cylinder BEFORE you paid all that money? :D

How much of the original revo is left or reuseable after the modifications? At what point does it become cheaper/easier to start the whole construction from scratch?
 
Damn Third_Rail that is one massive monster...can't wait to see the finished Revolver/cannon. It seemingly will dwarf the Dragoon. I take it that the .500 Bertha will have a round barrel and choice of fixed or adjustable sites? Just askin' I know it's still in the cylinder stages, but it gets exciting to imagine a finnished product. I know this is a cart gun, but any thoughts about a .50 C&B? Probly not an eventful thought with having the ability to ream a 1858 out and shoot .464" balls. But I had to ask...
Keep pluggin' BigIron Barrel Works ... it's a free forum or so I have heard. I think the reports are interesting and keep following them. Also good to see another forum out there i.e. BigIron Works Forum.
 
Its GONNA be a .58 caliber! Tha .500 is jus ta check accuracy of tha borin, will be cut out more, an finally end up at .585/.586 in tha chambers.
 
Round ball .595-.600 or 440 grain bullet designed for it, solid AN h.p. Yer mines are too small in diameter.
 
Smoke,

Not needed there, Wayner has it under control, been there everyday, when I can contribute, I will.

Specially like the argument that Wayner has about the ball fitting the grooves.

Manyirons,

Livin' near the man don't mean you can speak as he does. I understand the inflections, they are in my language, too, I don't think they are in your native Ohioese. You guys are just as unable to speak any other dialect than the Cleveland Browns are.

I don't sell anything, I don''t get into promotion, I have no idea how you push a new product. I DO know that, as I said, you sound like Ron Popiel and the Veg-e-matic. And Third_rail, ditto. TOO enthusiastic. If Jule has a product that is viable, great, I'd like to hear some specifics, not your claptrap about how FANTASTIC this is. I don't think you guys, as YOU, are qualified to promote his product.

AGAIN, IF it was he I spoke with a couple weeks ago, and you gotta remember, he woke me a few hours before I normally get up, he did think you were juist a leetle bit too enthusiastic, but, you know, they are young..

And, y'know, if it is the BOSS who determines who is welcome and who is not, and I am not, I think I will survive. Forums have a habit of becoming boring or just plain uninteresting. I have stopped going to a good number of them for that reason, purely uninteresting.

Your's might just prove to be the same.

A quick perusal has not seen a single post headed by Jule, just Manyirons and Third_rail. So, who's in charge of the website? Doesn't sound like Jule.

Cheers,

George
 
George, get your eyes checked. Who do you think "the captain" is? He doesn't like public forums because of idiots - since BigIron Barrel Works' forum is new, few idiots are there, thus he posts. You can quite easily tell which posts are his by all the hyphens and capital letters where they shouldn't be.

As long as you remain civil, you are more than welcome there! :)


Do note, we do want facts to back up any arguments, i.e. how is it of the same quality, are the tolerances the same, accuracy, etc. Just an example.
 
George!

Jus WHERE did ya see posts by me? Seein things where they aint? Been busy and hadda have a different e-mail account made cause i dont mail much.

And i AINT posted on tha new site yet! I AINT RON POPEIL, dont sell gimmicky rubbish and i aint seen NOTHIN from you yet but compainin.

Gotta problem? SHOW ME a better way and i'll try it.

And get yer eyes checked! Ifin yer seein my MANYIRONS moniker on tha new site, yer seein things and they calls that delusions or somethin like it.

And IF ya been on tha new site ya SHOULDA seen cept for those bad i eyes i spose, product review fer tha bullets. No hot air, jus real products.
 
Smoke,

Lucked out with the pump, the plastic plumbing is held together, the check valve, with Fernco rubber couplings. One popped loose, lifted the lid, told the boy to take the couplings off, scratch the smooth, shiny plastic pipe pretty good and crank down on the clamps with a ratchet rather than a screwdriver this time. Should all be well, after this. Fortunately, the cover is just 2 inches or so under the ground, hell, the hoop is visible through the grass that is just starting to grow.

Back where I posted about the maraging steels I had found the prices for, did you happen to see the mention I made of the price? 250 grade for 243 bucks per half foot, 325 for 350 grade?

Mebbe I should say that was kind of an apology for doubting your price of 600 bucks worth of steel. I don't know what the length of your pictured piece was, but, at 2.25 diameter, it looks to be over 6 inches, although the perspective, end on, doesn't make it easy to determine.

I think I was wrong to doubt that remark. I think it is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS that it could be so high, and the site I went to doubles the price for double the length, trebles for triple, etc. In other words, 1 foot costs a buck, 100 feet costs 100 bucks. No quantity discount, at least there.

That means this pistol is going to have a hellacious price. That doesn't mean there will be no market for it. Not for me, if I want my arm broke, or sore, I'll just go back to my Smith and Ruger 44 mags. Smith's a 6 1/2 inch, kicks more than my 10 1/2 inch Ruger. But, I don't like shooting cartridge any more. Box of shells goes in 20 minutes or so, even with checking the tatgets. Progressive reloader means I can replace that box in 5 minutes.

I'd rather take 20 minutes to shoot 2 C&Bs twice each. Yeah, near 10 minutes to reload 2 cylinders. WAY more fun. Think I don't even want a bench loader, any more. Too much fun doin' it the traditional way. Cappin's a pain, buit what the hell?

Actually, the eyes AIN'T the best, do need new glasses, but that's okay, don't mind that you both mention it. Would have sworn I saw both your names there.

Cheers,

George
 
The Gods smiled on you George glad all went well...some days are better than others and this good deed you done was rewarded as you done it...

Anyone wants to they can quote that...LoL!

Catch up with ya George take care.
 
to Duncaninfrance

"It reminds me of a tale from my home area.
An American (sorry) was walking down the road..."

So you won't have to apologize next time when talking about people eating sheep ****, don't use an American as a story subject. Of all the peoples of all the countries of the world, We do not eat sheep **** (yes, the W in We is capitalized).
 
Hey! I eats mutton! I gots a diabetic er not SEEFOOD diet. I sees food, i eats it! Ifin it aint strugglin too much its lunch!
 
George, for a .58 caliber revolver, $1400 isn't any huge price!


Try to get it at that price at this quality by anyone else. Not going to happen!
 
Pohill

Well I have to say it dear boy, a story is a story. I have also seen and read lots of Bull **** since I started to contribute to THR, TFL & TMF but I take it with a pinch of salt.

The same American asked the local how big his farm was because he (the yank) took 2 days to drive round his spread back in Texas.
"Aye" said the Yorkshireman, "I had a car like that once"!

Smile - you use fewer muscles than frowning!!
Duncan
 
hmmm

$600 is a bit steep. As of 6.24.2006, Onlinemetals.com has a variety of maraging steel in 2.25 inch bar, 6" lengths, for $200 to $220 dollars (all orders over $100 get 10% off)

Also, what is it about this steel that has lead you to decide that it is the best steel for the job? Compared to the steels our grandfathers had to use, even lowly 4140 is light years ahead of anything they had, including 4140.

There are dozens of less expensive steels that are more than up to the job.
 
owen, I'll not go into too much detail, but it boils down to the fact that Jule simple buys the best. You can buy cheaper maraging steel, but it may have an inclusion or other flaw. He could get away with using 4140, but then it wouldn't be as strong.

In any case, if he wants to use the best steel that he can get for what he wants to make, it's his prerogative. :)
 
Those jokes can use any country, and often do. Like one joke, I've read 2 different versions. Australia is the butt of the joke in one version, Poland in the other. Actually, I think I'll post that one in the Big Iron Barrel Works forum.

And me at least, I can definitely understand Jule's use of the best quality stuff. Me, I never do a half-*** job. Sometimes I do a poor job, but that's not the same thing. Everything I do, I do with both cheeks, yessiree!
 
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