The Slide Lock Lever

[REAPER4206969]

A pistol is defined as a firearm capable of being fired with one hand and possessing one or more barrels with integral firing chambers.

 

[EddieNFL]

Semantics.

I just checked three sites that sell 1911 parts. One used the term Slide Stop and the other two used Slide Releases/Stops. You say tomato...

Pressing the trigger and hitting the magazine release button are also 'fine motor skills' and no one complains about them...I never really understood why they've made such an issue of this.

If there were two ways to release a magazine, someone would start a argument.

 

[gwnorth]

A pistol is defined as a firearm capable of being fired with one hand and possessing one or more barrels with integral firing chambers.

Maybe in your dictionary, but not in mine.

OED - Pistol = " A small firearm designed to be held in one hand".

Like I say, you can argue your interpretations all you want, but it does not make them correct useage, which is exactly why I originally posted that arguing semantics on the internet is just nutty - nobody ever changes their opinions of what a word means to them.

 

[REAPER4206969]

. One used the term Slide Stop and the other two used Slide Releases/Stops. You say tomato...

Does the part stop the slide, or does it release it? Think for yourself.

 

[REAPER4206969]

Maybe in your dictionary, but not in mine.

You're not going to find technical firearms information in the dictionary. Ask the BATFE. What I described is the technical and legal definition of a pistol.

 

[gwnorth]

Oh, well there you go, I was talking about the english language, not some technocrat or legaleze use of it

 

[27hand]

Slide stop lever

I personally have been taught to use it as a slide stop.

Perhaps some clarification on terms (for me) is needed here.

The "slingshot" method of releasing the slide is grasping the rear of the slide between thumb and forefinger. I'm not sure Jeff Cooper ever praised or advocated that method. The deciples of his who teach at Gunsite and who I have taken some training from teach to release the slide by putting the weak hand over the rear of the slide (not covering the ejection port), rotating the gun a bit with the ejection port down and pulling the slide back sharply with that hand essentially hitting your shoulder.
It is the same method used to clear a class 1 malfunction.

Since I haven't taken classes from many of the other schools, can any of you tell me who teaches the slingshot method and perhaps the reasoning for doing so. It seems to me it woiuld be easier for your thumb/forefinger to slip off the rear of the slide than by the method taught to me by the trainers I have had the pleasure to train with.

If you use the slingshot method to release the slide ,do you also use this to clear a malfunction?

Some IPSC shooters I know use the slide release lever to save the time of breaking a two handed grip.

Back to the OP question. The reason for using the support hand to pull the slide completely rearward is to allow the full force of the recoil spring to strip a round off the mag and chamber it. My Glock 23 travels about 3/8" further to the rear than using the slide stop lever to release the slide.

 

[EddieNFL]

Does the part stop the slide, or does it release it? Think for yourself.

Well, since I've purchased from the latter two, mine do both. I guess if I had gone with the first it would only stop the slide and I would have a useless firearm.

 

[REAPER4206969]

No, you release the slide, it only stops it.

 

[SideArmed]

No, you release the slide, it only stops it.

but you have to hit the slide stop lever to "release the slide" .....
Get this...you can also push the lever up without a mag in and "stop the slide"

What point are you trying to make and who cares??

 

[REAPER4206969]

What point are you trying to make and who cares??

This is a technical discussion. I'm being technical. Now let me tell you why it's a mag catch, not a "mag release"...

 

[The Bushmaster]

Hell...Ain't this fun?

 

[Shawn Dodson]

What is its function?

Does it make sense to engage a "release" to lock something?

Does it make sense to disengage a "lock" to release something?

Which one is bass ackwards?

I believe "slide lock" is accurate nomenclature. Without a "slide lock" there'd be no need to release it.

 

[REAPER4206969]

I believe "slide lock" is accurate nomenclature.

We already went over this.

 

[Shawn Dodson]

We already went over this.

Good for you!

 

[EddieNFL]

No, you release the slide, it only stops it.

The slide is released by disengaging the slide stop/lock/release, regardless if you thumb it or slingshot the slide.

Personally, I don't care if it's called the "part that slides through the link and holds the slide back on an empty magazine."

 

[REAPER4206969]

"part that slides through the link and holds the slide back on an empty magazine."

But what if it's a modified linkless Browning tilting barrel action?

 

[EddieNFL]

But what if it's a modified linkless Browning tilting barrel action?

Then it's not a 1911 and has no bearing on my life.

 

[armchairQB]

I think this is more an arguement of technique than nomenclature. Do you use the slide lock lever as a slide lock lever or as a slide release.

I use the slingshot method and I tend to think using it as a slide release is pointless. All a matter of personal preference I guess. I tend to see many novice shooters using the release method and the more experienced using the slingshot method.

Are either of them wrong? Not really.

 

[EddieNFL]

I tend to think of the slingshot method as best if you're not willing to train.

I agree, neither is wrong.

 

[Sam1911]

I think this is more an arguement of technique than nomenclature

Yes, it is.

We already went over this.

Yes we did, just two weeks ago:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=496349

But the same people have congregated here to argue about it again because, THIS TIME, they're going to change each others' minds!



-Sam

 

[EddieNFL]

Well, it works on all those people watching Oprah.

 

[Sam1911]

Well, it works on all those people watching Oprah.

Amazing analogy.

[DR.PHIL]Remember, it's always best to slingshot your pistol when you're carrying it cocked and locked on an empty chamber when you're carrying a .380 for protection against bears, 'cause the sound of it racking will make any attacker in a 17-block radius crap his pants and possibly spontaneously combust, and no one like's the smell of buring crap, RIGHT? In other words, you can't make a polka-dot dog out of turtle soup, you understand what I'm saying? THINK about it PEOPLE! It's just NOT that hard! Why any FOOL can see if you want to lay an egg, you've got to tickle a chicken! It's basic FACTS! ... And another thing, you can't carry "Mexican" without breaking some huevos, I mean you have to blow a sprocket to...[/DR.PHIL]



-Sam

 

[EddieNFL]

Amazing analogy.

[DR.PHIL]Remember, it's always best to slingshot your pistol when you're carrying it cocked and locked on an empty chamber when you're carrying a .380 for protection against bears, 'cause the sound of it racking will make any attacker in a 17-block radius crap his pants and possibly spontaneously combust, and no one like's the smell of buring crap, RIGHT? In other words, you can't make a polka-dot dog out of turtle soup, you understand what I'm saying? THINK about it PEOPLE! It's just NOT that hard! Why any FOOL can see if you want to lay an egg, you've got to tickle a chicken! It's basic FACTS! ... And another thing, you can't carry "Mexican" without breaking some huevos, I mean you have to blow a sprocket to...[/DR.PHIL]



-Sam

I've changed my mind...again.

 

[Guillermo]

as I use it to release the slide, I call it a slide release.

now that this is settled, can someone tell me why flammable and inflammable meant the same thing?