The value of just walking away

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...what's important to remember is that we don't realize what an ass we've been until its long over.

Many of us have been there, wondering why we felt such a strong need to win what amounted to nothing. But some people seem not to have that experience. We all meet people from time to time who seem to think that being an ass is preferred over letting someone else have a small, inconsequential victory at their own minuscule and fleeting expense.

That attitude probably causes more needless confrontations than anything else.
 
1. If you ask someone to stop what they're doing then you're trying to get them to do what you want and stop doing what they want. In other words, you're trying to enforce your will on them by trying to get them to stop doing what they have chosen to do.

Sorry John. I agree with most of your post but this is just plain incorrect. To ask and to demand/enforce your will, are two very different things.

When one asks for something, the person is looking for consideration from you. It doesn't matter if I'm asking you to pass the sugar or to stop being disruptive. Nothing says you have to comply with the consideration I would like to have. In turn, I should then have consideration for your preference.

If I demand(enforce my will), I'm asking or telling you to do something under the assumption of authority. In the discussion here, as you and others have pointed out, it's an authority that doesn't exist. You either comply or I better be ready for escalation in order to get my way.


But if you really believe that the number of self-centered, inconsiderate and increasingly volative people is rising, isn't that really the best argument you could make against creating a confrontation when you can avoid it? Essentially your statement acknowledges that your chances of encountering a self-centered, inconsiderate and volatile persion is higher now than it used to be and that the chances are still going up.

If we accept that as true then we are admitting that it's becoming less and less of a good idea to confront persons.

I read this and then realized your in DFW. That's a large consideration. I'm originally from NYC. Big city people are rude, self-centered, demanding, etc. Similar in L.A., Chicago, Miami, Houston, etc., and probably DFW as well. That's what it takes to survive in those environs. And it's spreading.

So yes, you make a valid point about surviving. I just wonder how long until we are all living that way? My town wasn't that way and it's been changing quite a bit over the last 15 years. It doesn't seem like the future bodes well for us, even more so if we don't interact. It's all a balancing act, risk vs benefit of outcome.
 
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It doesn't matter if I'm asking you to pass the sugar or to stop being disruptive.

Either you've missed a very important point or simply chosen a bad comparison.

If I say, "Would you please pass the sugar," the underlying message is an acknowledgment that you and I are equals, we are currently sharing a table, we have a common understanding of table manners, and the sugar is out of my reach but within yours. Presumably, when you ask me in kind for the salt, I will oblige as you did.

If I say, "Please stop being disruptive," the underlying message is that your behavior is unacceptable to me, that I am superior in this situation because I'm the one "offended," and therefore I would like you to make changes to accommodate me but expect and receive nothing in return.

That's a huge difference.
 
I think the problem lies in the fact that in some cases, impossible to predict, any reasonable request could trigger an unreasonable response in an unstable individual. Situational awareness should be your constant companion, especially when armed.
 
Hah! Good one Tuner.

Much easier and smarter to talk them out of the fight they want, than to fight them. Humor can work wonders to achieve this goal.
 
I think the problem lies in the fact that in some cases, impossible to predict, any reasonable request could trigger an unreasonable response in an unstable individual. Situational awareness should be your constant companion, especially when armed.

What is reasonable? Can you be sure the other guy sees your request that way? This is the key point--you can't expect anyone else's concept of reasonable to always match yours or even the generally accepted concept. If you presume to, that's where the trouble starts.

I agree completely regarding SA. A big part of SA is recognizing that you never know where the other guy's head is, his context, or what will seem to him an offense or a challenge. What you can be sure of is that nobody likes to be told his behavior is out of line. Nobody.
 
Your assumption was correct......tongue in cheek......although the two punch limit would probably call a halt to the Primate Shuffle.

I recognize it now.........grew up in the 50'-60's when the "Monkey Dance" was a daily occurance in the halls, bathrooms and student parking lot of my high school. Political Correctness wasn't invented yet and back then you were held accountable for your behavior or words....mommy and daddy weren't around 24/7 to protect you from getting your ass kicked. Taught us something from back in that era......taught us how to be tough......no panseys or girly girls....we played to win and there were winners and losers...not everyone got a trophy and not everyone was sucessful in everything they did....but we were held accountable for what we did and said.

Disgusts me pretty much today how people have become so complacent....so politically correct and such a low level of self-esteem......could gag a maggot.
We weren't raised that way......
 
Ragnar......very good thread. I learned to bite my finger...sometimes my hand.
 
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