.455_Hunter
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Because there are "certain" types of firearms that have a propensity to having the trigger actuated by whatever method when not intended.
The model of the gun in question would be useful for that assessment.
There's no reason for this to EVER happen.
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Because there are "certain" types of firearms that have a propensity to having the trigger actuated by whatever method when not intended.
The model of the gun in question would be useful for that assessment.
But what difference would that make? Every day, thousands of people successfully carry what some folks on the internet have decided are the "dangerous" types of firearms without incident. Doesn't make much sense to critique the weapon choice of Joe random without knowing anything at all about Joe's training or competence level.
mmb617
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A while back we had a local yahoo unintentionally discharge his gun into the floor during a church service. No real details were in the story other than it did say the gun was carried in his pocket. When I read it all I could think was "How does that happen?"
.455_Hunter
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Actually, it makes complete sense to learn what type of weapons are most frequently involved in AD/ND incidents. Such data could be used to assist Joe's weapon selection instead of just magazine ads and internet talking heads.
scaatylobo
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I actually do believe what your selling [ just a speech term ].
And I own so many holsters that I shudder to think about taking a count.
But when I was a younger [ and MUCH slimmer ] man,I caried a 1911 in condition one [ cocked & locked for those who dont know the term ].
And that was carried for YEARS in what was called "Mexican carry" which is inside the pants NO HOL:STER at he '4' o'clock position.
NEVER did it "fall out" or even be a minor issue as to that problem.
I have done almost the same carry with my Glock's ,but I use a trigger guard block that has cord that attaches to my belt/loops.
As you well stated,PRACTICE what you plan on doing and it it dont work = DO NOT DO IT !!.
I would imagine the police saw the stores surveillance footage.. Law abiding CCW? Criminal? Not enough information to speculate.. However, the police chief seems to lump us all together.
Telum Pisces
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Let all those that are without fault and will never have anything happen to them throw stones! Sorry, but I can promise that everyone will have something happen due to their negligence or error in their thought process! If you have not had it happen yet, it will happen in your life! If you get through life without fault, you might as well go ahead and play the lottery and win!
You honestly think that the average gun owner is going to take the time to research those kinds of statistics? Not gonna happen my friend.
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I guess maybe I am "too hard" on people who want to carry. I have always thought that if someone can not carry a gun and not touch off rounds they should not carry ANY gun. If they need two or three safeties because they can't handle a gun and not fire it? Then to me they should not carry or carry an auto with nothing in the chamber. See if they could manage to carry an empty chamber and not touch off rounds?
Failing that I guess we need a gun made by Microsoft. So when they pull the trigger a little bubble comes up saying "Are you sure you want to do this?"
.455_Hunter
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Of course not. Why would gun owners ever want to consider safety when buying a firearm?
I didn't say they shouldn't consider it, did I? I said that most aren't going to spend time looking at "statistics" (If you can really call them that) regarding the rate at which various types of firearms are accidentally/negligently discharged. Making a statement about what people will or will not do is not the same thing as advocating for them to do or not do that action.
Corpral_Agarn
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Yes I run into guys like this sometimes. It's wild. I get the willies sometimes about cocked and locked even though I know it's safe in a kydex holster with the trigger guard completely covered (and the safety on, of course).
Just the other night, I had a guy come to an advanced CCW class (draw from holster, presentation, moving/shooting, reloads, barricades, etc) without a holster.
He removes his XD from his gun case and just stuffs it into his pants (it was unloaded).
I said "hold up. you have a holster for that, right?"
"I do, I just don't like them."
"well carrying a firearm without one is a really bad idea and I won't let you stuff a loaded firearm into your pants all evening."
"I do this all the time."
"not here you don't."
"... I guess I'll come back when I have a better holster?"
"that would be great or you can stay and watch/hang out with us. I'd love to have you participating in class but safety is number one, my man."
Just the other night, I had a guy come to an advanced CCW class (draw from holster, presentation, moving/shooting, reloads, barricades, etc) without a holster.
He removes his XD from his gun case and just stuffs it into his pants (it was unloaded).
I said "hold up. you have a holster for that, right?"
"I do, I just don't like them."
"well carrying a firearm without one is a really bad idea and I won't let you stuff a loaded firearm into your pants all evening."
"I do this all the time."
"not here you don't."
"... I guess I'll come back when I have a better holster?"
"that would be great or you can stay and watch/hang out with us. I'd love to have you participating in class but safety is number one, my man."
Ignition Override
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Remora-many of which have No clip- has been very safe and easy to adjust.
Holds my Sig P6, Walther P99 ‘AS’ , CZ PC
Securely.
Holds my Sig P6, Walther P99 ‘AS’ , CZ PC
Securely.
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Saw a skinny guy at the restaurant the other day with a 1911 under a big t shirt. Weak belt and cheap holster as the gun was flopping around as he walked. "Concealed? Yeah, but printed so well I could almost read the serial. I was afraid either the gun would call out of his pants fall down. Don't be him.
Its not in the article because he ran away.
We will probably never know if he was carrying legally or not.
IMO, odds are he was not a legal concealed carrier; if I had to bet, I'd wager that he was not.
I suspect that the purpose of the original post was to point out that it does happen, and without a value judgment regarding the person it happened to, to remind us that only we can prevent forest fires.
It is very easy and tempting to go off on tangents and I am guilty as charged. If each of us will just take a moment to try and learn from someone else's mistake, the time will not have been wasted.
It is very easy and tempting to go off on tangents and I am guilty as charged. If each of us will just take a moment to try and learn from someone else's mistake, the time will not have been wasted.
SwampWolf
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There must have been a mad scramble to the altar or confessional booth. Unintentional gun shots fired indoors are what's known as "Come to Jesus" incentives.
Correct. If he was, what he did was stupid. If he wasn't, what he did was stupid and he was breaking the law too. Either way, the lesson is the same. Don't be stupid. Carrying with a good quality holster that fits the gun and protects the trigger and a good quality belt that fits the loops of the holster is not that hard nor is it that expensive. It's worth every penny.
And, unfortunately either way, there are people out there who will see this as a reason people shouldn't carry guns in public. We can't stop everyone from being stupid, but we can control what we do.
Here's a picture of my carry rig that I mentioned earlier. I forgot to mention that the suede side is out on the holster so that it sticks rather than slips against clothing. It's evident from the picture that the holster won't be moving around on the belt. Even without the tight fit of the loops to the belt, the belt loop would hold it in place. (By the way, this is one of two reasons I really like loops that snap. A tighter fit to a belt is possible since the holster doesn't have to slide onto the belt, but the gun can also be removed without unholstering and without having to remove/undo the belt.)
Fiddling with/adjusting the gun is useless with this rig. The holster fits it tightly so the gun can't move. Fiddling with the holster is pointless. It won't shift around and it can't slide on the belt. The belt fits well so it doesn't really slip up or down, but if there really is a need to adjust things, it can be done by taking hold of the belt.
Ignition Override
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Mmb617:
Wow, a gun blast in church.
The dumbass needs to have a car safe to store the gun the next time he feels “twitchy” or
still uses the wrong holster.
Using church service to possibly test a new holster?
Wow, a gun blast in church.
The dumbass needs to have a car safe to store the gun the next time he feels “twitchy” or
still uses the wrong holster.
Using church service to possibly test a new holster?
Depending on the fit of the jeans I am wearing, I adjust my gun often sometimes. However, it is in a holster with the trigger covered and it is safe IMO. I guess I have carried without a holster for brief periods, but I had to very careful about how I moved and stay conscious about the gun's position. I did not like it. With my body type, the gun moves easily.
Pocket carry can be done safely if you put nothing else in the pocket and you are careful about how you reach in. There is risk there so a pocket holster that keeps the trigger covered and keeps the gun oriented right is highly recommended.
Of course, it doesn't matter how you carry if you fiddle with the gun when you shouldn't.
Pocket carry can be done safely if you put nothing else in the pocket and you are careful about how you reach in. There is risk there so a pocket holster that keeps the trigger covered and keeps the gun oriented right is highly recommended.
Of course, it doesn't matter how you carry if you fiddle with the gun when you shouldn't.
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One thing I cover in my gun classes is carrying in a proper holster with proper retention. If I had a dollar every time I was asked why just shoving it in a pocket, purse, or waistband wasn't good enough I would never need to work again.
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No excuse.
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Once, 20ish years ago, at the end of the day I took my NAA Mini out of pocket before bed. Much to surprise it was fully cocked, at the time I was a HVAC installer and had spent most of that day under a house, I’m sure crawling around in a crawl space is how how it happened but I never knew it. So here I was with the realization that I had no idea I had been walking around with loaded and cocked gun pointed the boys. 
I learned my lesson, if I’m carrying it the trigger is covered, period. Even the ones “stragicly” placed, they have the trigger covered, assuming they’re a handgun.
I learned my lesson, if I’m carrying it the trigger is covered, period. Even the ones “stragicly” placed, they have the trigger covered, assuming they’re a handgun.
There was an incident some time back where a concealed carrier was having an informal show & tell session at church with his loaded carry gun and ended up shooting himself and his wife. That's not about having the wrong carry rig, that's just about not following the rules of gun safety.
https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news...during-discussion-church-shootings/872374001/
A man accidentally shot himself and his wife at an East Tennessee church on Thursday while he was showing off his gun during a discussion on recent church shootings, police said.
And another one at a church that sounds like it could have been either a show & tell situation or a problem with a carry setup. Two injured.
https://www.abc27.com/news/local/la...cidental-shooting-at-lancaster-county-church/
A post on the Worship Center Facebook page said a gun was accidentally discharged inside the church’s security office around 10 a.m. Sunday. The church is located on New Holland Pike in Upper Leacock Township.
https://www.wgal.com/article/2-inju...-county-worship-center-facebook-page/30833276Police said five members of the security team were in an office when one guard accidentally discharged his weapon.
The fired round ricocheted off the floor and a second security guard in the room was struck in the face and head by either bullet fragments or pieces of the flooring, police said.
The fired round ricocheted off the floor and a second security guard in the room was struck in the face and head by either bullet fragments or pieces of the flooring, police said.
Now here's one where a guy's firearm discharged as he was exiting his vehicle at church. This probably relates to an inadequate carry setup.
https://www.koco.com/article/man-ac...ges-outside-sw-okc-church-police-say/30666943
Around 10:30 a.m., police received a call that there had been a shooting outside Southwest Baptist Church, located at 1300 S.W. 54th St. When officers arrived, they learned that a man was either getting in or getting out of a vehicle when his firearm accidentally discharged.
A little closer to home. Not clear exactly what happened. The person carrying the gun in church was injured in the foot. Could have been a carry setup problem or possibly just someone playing with his carry gun. News stories indicate he did have a permit to carry.
https://www.texarkanagazette.com/ne...-man-shoots-himself-foot-while-church/414183/
About 6:30 p.m. on Wednesday evening, police received a call that a man at the Davis Street Baptist Church had accidentally shot himself. In the foot.
This one sounds like someone probably playing with their gun at church based on the trajectory.
https://kutv.com/news/local/audio-recording-leaked-after-accidental-shooting-in-lds-church
After the shooting, an audio recording surfaced on the website MormonLeaks. It's reportedly of a church leader explaining the incident to the young women who were in the room when the bullet whizzed by them.
Anyway, seems like there are accidental shootings at churches, just like there are at malls. Anywhere you have people with guns who aren't carrying safely or aren't following the gun safety rules, these things can happen.
Be smart. Don't handle your carry gun if you don't need to. Only carry a gun that you know is safe.
Carry smart. Use a carry method that holds your gun securely so you don't have to frequently adjust things. Use a carry method that works with your particular firearms safety system. Use good quality holsters/belts and make sure they are in good condition.
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