Things I can't prove, but believe...

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I believe:

...that point shooting is a valid concept (at close distances)
Yes.

...that various anti-gun movements truly believe that increased gun control = less gun crime or fewer suicides (I know the facts, I'm speaking to their beliefs)
No.

...that we are our own enemy when it comes to ammunition scarcity
Yes.

...that shooting tin cans with a .22 is the most fun you can have, ever.
NO.
I think that dinner and a late night stroll with a pretty lady is much more fun than shooting tin cans with a .22.

...that open carry only leads to more problems for gun owners (sorry folks, just how I feel)
I disagree.
 
i believe that 9 rounds of .22 hitting their mark is better than 7 rounds of .45 missing the entire target
i believe 8mm mauser is the best all around hunting cartridge
i believe that people who do stupid things with guns on purpose deserve the darwin award (still dont like to hear about it though)
i believe that the age to buy handguns should be lowered to 18. (not really sure how that fits in here, im just adding it)
 
mljdeckard: "(Can't you guys take a joke I stole from Steve Martin 30 years ago?)" sorry, didn't know it was a joke I was genuinely curious. It's hard to keep up with comedy from before you were born.(not ment to be offencive just factual (the age comment))
 
I Believe...

*A good hit with most anything beats a miss with most anything; AND, a good hit with a .45 beats a good hit with something less.

*A really powerful handgun is only useful for hunting or specific target competition.

*A decent mid caliber/power rifle beats a really powerful handgun for hunting, longer distance target shooting and many forms of self-defense.

*Being content is better than being rich.

*Being decent is better than being famous.

*The Bible doesn't have all the answers to every subject, but has all the answers for general living. And dying.

*I believe I've said enough.
 
- European firearms are of superior manufacture

That's right, the Garand was outdone by several versions of the Mauser, the Steyr, the Mannlicher, the Lee-Enfield, the Moisin, and the Carcano in WWII!

OH WAIT! :D

Maybe ya might want to qualify that with a time reference? :cool:

LD
 
So the Mauser, Moisons and Lee Enfields weren't as well built as the Garand?

Talk about what you believe versus what is true.

Anyways, here is my new one -

- any religious fanatic, whether they are Christian, Jewish or Isamlic should shut the hell up

- very religious people are not better then anyone else

- why are there so few athiests in prison?
 
Anyways, here is my new one -

- any religious fanatic, whether they are Christian, Jewish or Isamlic should shut the hell up

- very religious people are not better then anyone else

- why are there so few athiests in prison?



Nothing at all to do with firearms. :rolleyes:
 
I believe...

...on a cold day, nothing warms the hands better than a hot shotgun barrel (unless there is a pretty lady around)

...there is nothing wrong with owning guns for the fun of shooting.

...we are not always right.

...someone needs to take Obama shooting. (no.. not shooting at him, shooting with him.)

...i should be studying for my final tomorrow instead of telling people what i believe.

...studying is no fun.

...i should be able to carry on campus.

...we should be able to drink before we can buy a gun.

...i need to get my CWP

I believe that is all for now.
 
Open carry issue..

I think the issue you take with open carry is an interesting one at that.

Personally, I think that open carry is fine, and should be no big deal, however uneducated people could mistake open carry as a threat.

Especially those who are not used to being around guns (big cities anyone?).

The rest of your points...I agree 100%!
 
Open carry issue..

I think the issue you take with open carry is an interesting one at that.

Personally, I think that open carry is fine, and should be no big deal, however uneducated people could mistake open carry as a threat.

Especially those who are not used to being around guns (big cities anyone?).

The rest of your points...I agree 100%!
 
Anyways, here is my new one -

- any religious fanatic, whether they are Christian, Jewish or Isamlic should shut the hell up

And here's mine: Reflexive bashing without articulating an actual argument is a habit to rehabilitate from, or at minimum, best kept to oneself.

It's rudeness for self-entertainment.

Les
 
Can we steer away from directly talking about politics and/or religion?

Anyway...

i believe that the age to buy handguns should be lowered to 18. (not really sure how that fits in here, im just adding it)

In South Carolina, you can buy a handgun second-hand at age 18.
 
...5 rounds of .38 spl in a S&W 642 in your front pocket are better than 6 shots of .44 mag in a Ruger Super Blackhawk sitting at home in the safe ;)

this was brought up at hunting camp when one of my friends was going on and on that anything less than .40 (hence the mention of his .44 mag revolver) wasn't worth squat; about this time I calmly reach into my pocket and show him my S&W 642 :evil: and his dad pulls an older European .32 acp out of his back pocket ;)

right about that time the conversation changed to what deer were seen on the game camera before hunting season :p

recently talked to this friend and found out that he steered his stepdad into getting a lightweight Taurus snubby for CCW and to use his .44 mag for HD and hunting :evil:
 
I believe you have some valid points.

I've never shot a tin can with a .22though.

I believe that this nation has FAR too many laws on the books concerning weapons. Evidently, the criminal element has no regard for gun laws, or penalties. So why not consolidate down to 4 or 5, nationwide in every state.

If you look into it deep enough, I suspect that some where there is a law that if caught urinating on the sidewalk while CCW, it carries a far stiffer sentence than mearly urinating on the sidewalk.

I further venture that less access to guns does not lower the murder/suicide rates.

It is the specific groups that it may do something for; the law abiding, the underage, folks who have no interest in guns.

The criminals, are criminals, laws do not deter them. Gangbangers are/have become more prevalent, laws do not deter them.
 
Open carry, legal but rare where I live.

I have one story. My wife is pro gun and has a concealed carry permit. One day we walk into a country store and a guy is sitting having coffee wearing a large revolver, he looks like a farmer in his 50's. When we leave my wife says, "There is something wrong about that." I asked what. She said something like, "Why does he have to carry the gun where everyone can see it"? I said, "Maybe he is waiting on his concealed permit." Wife's basic reply, "Anyone walking around displaying a gun like that is one step from going off". I said, "I wearing a pistol too, just no one sees it." Didn't matter to her. Don't criticize my wife's opinion. I've posted this example in support of the original post. She didn't say anything or make any negative expressions in the store, but she saw the OC in a negative way. Keep in mind that she is pro gun and pro concealed carry.
 
I think that people who don't beleive in open carry need to get out major metro areas and look around rural areas and small towns in America. People who work outside open carry all the time without problems. People who are afraid of open carry are also afraid of small dogs, vampires, and zombies.
 
Good thread! I'm enjoying it. And in general, folks at THR really do take "the high road". This thread would already be locked on most gun sites because it would have devolved quickly...

Now, my top things I can't prove (about guns) but believe:

1. All federal gun laws are unconstitutional because they violate the TENTH amendment as well as the Second Amendment.
2. Most states gun laws are unconstitutional because they violate the Second Amendment.
3. Carrying a .22 is better than carrying nothing at all because it wasn't convenient to carry that .45. My primary carry is a .357, but my wife likes me in tight jeans. ;) There's no reason not to carry a .380 in that case.
4. Freedom makes people nervous. That's why people are nervous about OC. Just like free speech puts all of us on edge sometimes...
5. Some of the smartest, most gun-knowledgeable people I know ignore basic safety rules. STOP. THINK. LIVE.
 
I believe...

Young people who legally open-carry are judged with more scrutiny.

When carrying a firearm, you should dress with consideration given to the population you incidentally represent.

It doesn't matter what color your reloading press is.

Criminals don't want to be shot at with either a 9mm OR a 45 acp.
 
...that point shooting is a valid concept (at close distances)

Yep.

...that various anti-gun movements truly believe that increased gun control = less gun crime or fewer suicides (I know the facts, I'm speaking to their beliefs)

Well, yes, and no - mostly yes - most of the followers/rank-n-file members of the movements are air-headed enough to actually believe they're doing good. I believe *most* of the leaders know better, although there may be a few true believers.

...that we are our own enemy when it comes to ammunition scarcity

Of course, but what're gonna do?

...that shooting tin cans with a .22 is the most fun you can have, ever.

It's in the top 5, among those with pants ON.

...that open carry only leads to more problems for gun owners (sorry folks, just how I feel)

No, I feel exactly the opposite. The more people SEE the good guys - us - owning/using/showing guns, without negative consequences, the more acceptance of guns as a useful tool will occur, which is good for our rights. Shine your light, don't hide it, as we learned in vacation bible school.
Criminals don't want to be shot at with either a 9mm OR a 45 acp.

lol, or a .22, for that matter.


I'll add a couple:

Some "gun laws" are good for US, good for our rights, and good for society, including (a) very strict civil liability laws, if you allow a gun to fall into the hands of a child or criminal by negligently failing to secure it, (b) strict criminal liability laws for same, including manslaughter, if a death or serious injury occurs for negligently failing to secure, (c) instant background checks on all gun sales are a good idea, provided they stay instant, and provided that stringent safeguards are in place for Congress to oversee the BATFE computers and process to make sure no records are kept past the 90 day audit period, electronic or otherwise, and provided they are not worded so as to be any extra burden or liability on gun show promoters.

The '86 "moratorium" is a de facto ban, as it limits the right to KBA to the wealthy, and as such, is 100% unconstitutional (yes, I want an American 180 reeeeeeeal bad. :) ).
 
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