This can't be true, you can't have guns in NYC?

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I heard about this on the radio the morning after it happened (I live in NJ).

When I heard about it I wouldn't help but think that, when someone is mugging you at gunpoint and you're unarmed, "What are you going to do, shoot us?" isn't the smartest thing in the world to say. Don't get me wrong, i feel bad for the girl and her family and friends, but even folks who CCW are encouraged to DE-escalate a situation. She escalated the situation with no means of defending herself. While the goblins actions were inexcusable even before he shot the girl had she kept quiet she would probably be alive today.

Am I the only one who thinks like this?
 
As far as I'm concerned, either it's on, or it's not on. Since this girl was unarmed and the mugger was armed, it was clearly not on. And when it's not on, issuing what is perceived by the other party to be a challenge to fight will end up getting you killed.

But then, even if she was armed, the other guy was in her personal space with his gun out. Game over.

I am not blaming this woman for what happened to her, but challenging a mugger is not a wise thing to do if you don't have the means to back up your words and he already has the drop on you.
 
When I heard about it I wouldn't help but think that, when someone is mugging you at gunpoint and you're unarmed, "What are you going to do, shoot us?" isn't the smartest thing in the world to say. Don't get me wrong, i feel bad for the girl and her family and friends, but even folks who CCW are encouraged to DE-escalate a situation. She escalated the situation with no means of defending herself. While the goblins actions were inexcusable even before he shot the girl had she kept quiet she would probably be alive today.

Am I the only one who thinks like this?
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No, I think you hit the nail right on the head. Fight the battles you can win....
 
I just saw it on the local news....it looks like they got the guys who did this.....all of them had records.... ALL FIVE OF EM!!!!! in other local news they arrested some punk working in Mcdonalds for putting glass in a cops big mac.......I'm not kidding
 
"What are you going to do, shoot us?"

Unbelievable, that's sad in many ways.

To clarify, her boyfriend pushed the mugger, was pistol-whipped, then his girlfriend issued the statement above?
 
Daly of the NY Daily News ended his column with this:

Yesterday, as the police hunted the killer and his cohorts through the cold, the blood in the dirty snow prompted me to write some words that duFresne will not be able to: Until we do something about handguns there will be no real safety even in the safest big city in the safer America.
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Stupidity knows no bounds.
 
Until we do something about handguns there will be no real safety even in the safest big city in the safer America.
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He's right, though. Until you let good people carry handguns to defend themselves, there won't be any real safety in the big cities.
 
Sonny,

Your flame has come. Or at least I would like to know what is the purpose of saying that a crime victim "had no business being there." Couldn't you just say, "That is a bad part of town; they should have been more careful."?
 
I don't want to put words in his (sonny) mouth, but I think he might have been alluding to the sport of 'slumming', whereby you tour a dangerous part of town as you would an amusement park. I guess the danger is the fun, I suppose in my mind you could brag about where you were last night, or something.

He does claim to have grown up there, and the whole 'no business being there' reasoning does get poor people detained in rich neighbourhoods. May work both ways.
 
FISTFULL,
"No buisness being there?".....It's just a figure of speech,...I don't know if you read the rest of my post...I thought I made it clear that they had every RIGHT to be there yet it was not the greatest decision....was it?
I don't get what your problem was with my statement exactly ...Should they have been more carefull?....hell yes!....You really have to understand that a fish out of water is a fish out of water...am I right?....I believe that some people ignore their instincts in order to be "cool".......I was born and raised in this enviorment and I understand the Risk ....yea I said Risk that these people take walking around here late night.....they did'nt.
For what it's worth I have been a fish out of water at times while traveling all over this country but when I feel my instincts kick in and I sense danger I'M OUT OF THERE!

Luckyorwhat,
Slumming is an appropriate term .....thanks ;)

If anyone else disagrees with the spirit of what I'm trying to say please picture the most violent section of YOU'RE home town,city or state and ask youself if it was wise for them to be there.
 
Meh. L.E.S. isn't so bad. I used to stumble around Attorney, Clinton, Rivington, etc. late at night, after playing the Parkside Lounge. The whole area is becoming gentrified. Granted, there are more "yuppie friendly" areas of the city but I don't think these folks were too far out of their league.

That said, I think the woman shouldn't have antagonized her attackers and wish the whole thing hadn't happened.

The fiancee just doesn't get it, does he?

On a lighter note, I used to love the fact that, on sunny afternoons, you could sit on a stoop in that neighborhood and watch the hot "30-somethings" pushing their grandkids around in strollers.
 
True they have every legal right to go anywhere they choose to go and I support them doing so but you have to understand how naive some people are to there surroundings....this is a bad and dangerous place and no matter how artistic and full of love you are you better watch your ass and use common sense.
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Same thing is happening around here. Suddenly it becomes cool to live "amongst the people' (read:lowlifes). So they move in next to crackhouses in neighborhoods where prostitutes walk the streets unchallenged and then complain about the crime (NOTE: they do NOT complain about criminals. To these people crime is some kind of three-headed monster that walks the streets. Criminals are simply the hapless victims of this monster). Their solution: ban the guns, and make everything else legal.
 
Sir or Madam,

Only one L please.

They had no business being there
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or
they should have been more careful
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Both phrases imply that the victim was the one in the wrong, but the former just sounds a lot worse. Yes, I am aware that it is a figure of speech and I did read your whole post.
 
Meh. L.E.S. isn't so bad. I used to stumble around Attorney, Clinton, Rivington, etc. late at night, after playing the Parkside Lounge. The whole area is becoming gentrified. Granted, there are more "yuppie friendly" areas of the city but I don't think these folks were too far out of their league.
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I lived on 2nd Street between Ave C & D for a couple years (I just moved recently out of the city), and although that part of the LES you mentioned is very gentrified, there a number of areas just a block or two away that I wouldn't walk through voluntarily during the day. Granted when I did walk through those areas, the worst that happened to me was when a group of thuggish youngsters threw water bottles at me for no apparent reason. :uhoh:

Ave D is very dangerous since that's where the housing projects are (most of the East River is lined with them all the way up past Central Park). You do have to be careful when you are anywhere in the vicinity. There were these three big thugs that used to hang out around the back of my building and they used to torment the Korean deli on Ave C and 2nd Street. I can tell you that I always saw them from afar and never walked past them (they were always obviously looking for trouble, kicking things, throwing things are parked cars, harassing pedestrians).

You must be situational aware, especially in areas like the Lower East Side and Alphabet City. It's where "yuppie" meets "ghetto", and though there are some wonderful restaurants and lounges in the area that cater to the yuppie crowd, one or two blocks over you will often find trouble waiting.

That poor girl. New York City is nowhere near as dangerous as it used to be 20 years ago (when taxis wouldn't even drive through Alphabet City), but it's certainly not Disneyworld.
 
Both phrases imply that the victim was the one in the wrong,
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Well, if the shoe fits.
"What are you going to do, shoot me" is about the wrongest thing you could possibly say.

Still, it's too bad her murderers won't get the death penalty.
 
Still, it's too bad her murderers won't get the death penalty.
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I'm not absolutely sure, but I think that NY brought back the death penalty after the Colin Fergusen/LIRR incident. Even so, I doubt the "Clueless Annies" in NYC will dish it out.
 
Fistfull,
I'm not looking to knit pick but I'm not sure what the difference is when you say her actions were not wrong, just foolish.
I think they were wrong and St.Peter probably thinks so as well.......I mean her actions "may" have cost her her life for god's sake.
What?...are you gonna shoot me? :confused:
 
Being stupid (or making stupid decisions, if you will) can in fact get you killed. It's still ultimately the responsibility of the perp but, walking around in a rough neighborhood at night and challenging a mugger to shoot you isnt the brightest course of action a person can take. And in many cases a person DOES bear some responsibility for their own victimization.
 
Sonny,

I'm not looking to nit pick, but one L please: fistful f-i-s-t-f-u-l. Thank you. And it's "nit pick" as in to pick nits from the head, nits being the eggs of lice.

So, risking one's own life is wrong? I will cede that to do so foolishly is wrong, but when did Peter say so? Still, sir, you leave me with the impression that you blame the girl for her murder. Again, I am not defending the girl's actions, just saying that you can't blame her for being in a dangerous place.

Please don't shoot me.
 
Airforceshooter said:

"Yep: that's New York.
for 35 years I walked around that town with an unlicensed, unregistered."

Its a shame anyone would have to put themselves in an illegal position to protect themselves. The last time I visited NYC I left mine home because I try my best to be a law abiding citizen. Next time i guess I won't. God forbid I have to shoot a mugger there because I'll be in ALL kinds of trouble then.

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Fistful......Spell checking?.....O.K?. ......I don't blame murder on anyone exept for murderers.....and even then they should get a fair trial.

As far as I'm concerned we disagree on one thing.........you said in your last post.

Again, I am not defending the girl's actions, just saying that you can't blame her for being in a dangerous place.
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This is the problem......it's not complicated ...we just disagree.
 
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