confederatemule
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I don't blame you for wanting to go to the USA, but, it is getting awfully crowded over here.
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Romel, thanks again, for another good video. It is O K that I can't understand the language. I still learned by watching. He did a very good job of demonstrating and showing the different steps and tools he used to load the pistol.Another of my videos of cargo, on this occasion is another "snubby"a Colt Pocket .31, the audio is in spanish (at the moment is the only language they speak) feel that does not like the partner Mikeal.....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EqgYQlcfEs
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I saw the same .36 Pietta snubbie being loaded by third_rail using the accessory brass ram. He had prepared paper cartridges and after placing one on a chamber mouth, he rotated it into position and then used the surface of a sturdy shooting bench to forcefully push in on the front of the rammer hard enough to seat the ball. That method of using the ram may be more gentle on the hand by allowing a person to bear down on the rammer with some of their body weight instead of only using their open palm.
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I'd sure like to get one of those brass rammers...mine didn't have it.
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Well I am one of the hundreds that shoot on the pistol line at Friendship.
I can assure you that no part of my body is ever over the muzzle of my
loaded revolver, or over the loaded cylinder. If any of us did this we would
be asked to stop or leave. There is a difference in shooting at a organized
shoot at a club, where saftey rules have to be followed and just a bunch of
guys out shooting in the woods where anything goes.
I can assure you that no part of my body is ever over the muzzle of my
loaded revolver, or over the loaded cylinder. If any of us did this we would
be asked to stop or leave. There is a difference in shooting at a organized
shoot at a club, where saftey rules have to be followed and just a bunch of
guys out shooting in the woods where anything goes.
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Interesting... these pics are from the NMLRA Friendship.
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I'd really like to see a video or some pictures of someone loading a BP revolver ( or really any BP firearm, for that matter) without EVER putting some part of his or her body in front of a chamber loaded (partially) with a cap and a ball. I just don't see how that's possible. A loaded chamber on a BP revolver is the same as a loaded barrel... if your hand is on the loading lever then it's physically impossible, as best as I can figure, to not be breaking your own rule. Even a cylinder loader puts your hand above loaded chambers.
To the OP:
very well done, I love it. Do you ever carry it as a defense gun, or is it more or less just for show and range fun?
To the OP:
very well done, I love it. Do you ever carry it as a defense gun, or is it more or less just for show and range fun?
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Great video. Loved the music. I'm an old Rolling Stones fan from way back but... AC/DC those guys knew how to rock n roll.
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Hate to differ, but 2 of those pictures look to me that they were NOT
taken at Friendship. I know because I have been going for 20 years. Those
tables are not there, and the roof is not that color. The one of the lady
looks like Friendship, but not the other two.
taken at Friendship. I know because I have been going for 20 years. Those
tables are not there, and the roof is not that color. The one of the lady
looks like Friendship, but not the other two.
Then they must have given the speakphone because in the if they appear their acronyms..........
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junkman_01
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The top two photos are the same and are from the 2008 NMLRA Western Nationals.
Here's one from Friendship(women's weekend April 18-20 2008)...notice the hands!
What I notice in the pictures is that my point is made in all but one. I'm not sure, but I believe the point in posting the pictures was to attempt to dispute my claim that the disciplined and safe shooters at Friendship do not place their hands over the muzzles of their guns when loading. I may be wrong about that, however, since all but one illustrate my point that one's hands do need to be near the muzzle during loading, near enough to be injured, but not OVER THE MUZZLE, so perhaps the poster was conceding the point. You may want to go back and review posts 11:
Now in the first two pictures the young man in the foreground is using the wrong technique. I can assure you that if the RSO saw that he'd be corrected. There are many, many more shooters at Both Friendship and the Western National that use proper technique, and I'm sure that one of them will provide the young man the help he needs, if it hasn't already happened.
By the way, the man behind the young man is pouring powder out of a measure, not ramming the ball home. If that powder went off he'd get burned but not shot.
Junkman01's picture is an excellent example of the technique I talk about in the previous posts. The lady's hands are in front of the muzzle, but not the centerline. In the event of an AD they would be at least slightly, if not moderately, injured. But they're NOT directly over the center of the barrel like romel's are in the original post. She won't have a catastrophic injury like a hole through her palm. I'm sure you can see the difference.
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mykeal said:
Now in the first two pictures the young man in the foreground is using the wrong technique. I can assure you that if the RSO saw that he'd be corrected. There are many, many more shooters at Both Friendship and the Western National that use proper technique, and I'm sure that one of them will provide the young man the help he needs, if it hasn't already happened.
By the way, the man behind the young man is pouring powder out of a measure, not ramming the ball home. If that powder went off he'd get burned but not shot.
Junkman01's picture is an excellent example of the technique I talk about in the previous posts. The lady's hands are in front of the muzzle, but not the centerline. In the event of an AD they would be at least slightly, if not moderately, injured. But they're NOT directly over the center of the barrel like romel's are in the original post. She won't have a catastrophic injury like a hole through her palm. I'm sure you can see the difference.
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Romel, who is the manufacturer of this revolver? Is it Pietta? Traditions just added an 1861 Navy with a Birdshead Grip but not a Snubie. Interestingly they also describe their's as an 1860 Army in their catalog.
Romel, who is the manufacturer of this revolver? Is it Pietta? Traditions just added an 1861 Navy with a Birdshead Grip but not a Snubie. Interestingly they also describe their's as an 1860 Army in their catalog.
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Myke,
That's why I posted it. It's a good example of how it should be done.
That's why I posted it. It's a good example of how it should be done.
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A little safety note, On all of my ramrods I use a smooth round ball. So if
I did have a discharge while ramming the ball down, the round ball would
push my hand out of the way. All my rifle and pistol rods are this way. It
really scares me to see the guys with the antler horn on their ramrods. Can
you imiagine that ragged horn ripping through your hand!! Ouch!!!
I did have a discharge while ramming the ball down, the round ball would
push my hand out of the way. All my rifle and pistol rods are this way. It
really scares me to see the guys with the antler horn on their ramrods. Can
you imiagine that ragged horn ripping through your hand!! Ouch!!!
This gun is Pietta, in its catalog on-line comes in caliber .44 but also have in .36
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Romel:
I've read that Avenging Angels were names given to the cut down 1860s used by the Mormon Death squads back in the 19th century.
The death squads were also called Avenging Angels from what I've read.
They certainly were used for personal protection by folks who wanted more power than a pocket pistol could provide.
Here is a link to a photo, taken at a gun show, of some authentic Avenging Angels. Some are 1860s & some are 1851s.
One looks to be a dragoon.
http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/snubbiesa.jpg
Here is a link to an article from an old American Rifleman magazine:
http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/snubbie_article_1.jpg (JPEG...pdf
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http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/snubbie_article_2.jpg (JPEG...pdf
--Dawg
I've read that Avenging Angels were names given to the cut down 1860s used by the Mormon Death squads back in the 19th century.
The death squads were also called Avenging Angels from what I've read.
They certainly were used for personal protection by folks who wanted more power than a pocket pistol could provide.
Here is a link to a photo, taken at a gun show, of some authentic Avenging Angels. Some are 1860s & some are 1851s.
One looks to be a dragoon.
http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/snubbiesa.jpg
Here is a link to an article from an old American Rifleman magazine:
http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/snubbie_article_1.jpg (JPEG...pdf
&
http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/snubbie_article_2.jpg (JPEG...pdf
--Dawg
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Here are two of mine, an 1860 and a Walker. Of the two, I much prefer carrying the 1860.
And a group shot with a Pocket Police included.
I have heard about the cut down Colts and saw the same writeups as P'Dawg. Long before the companies offered them I did what was done back in the day and cut my 1860 down. The Walker was cut by someone else and bought with the thought to install a new barrel but I actually enjoy the way the 5" barrel handles, just don't like lugging it around. Definately not a belt or hideout revolver.
And a group shot with a Pocket Police included.
I have heard about the cut down Colts and saw the same writeups as P'Dawg. Long before the companies offered them I did what was done back in the day and cut my 1860 down. The Walker was cut by someone else and bought with the thought to install a new barrel but I actually enjoy the way the 5" barrel handles, just don't like lugging it around. Definately not a belt or hideout revolver.
Funny thing is, I'm not crazy about any method of loading any of my black powder remote-control drills.
I don't like putting my hand(s) in from of any barrel or cylinder.
That said, I load the revolver cylinders prior to shooting, and leave them uncapped until I'm ready to shoot.
I want to make a mushroom headed range rod for my Colonial and Howdah pistols. Don't like the factory rods much.
Already have a ball-ended range rod for my rifles.
I retract my previous post due to the fact that this is turning into a huge urinating contest.
Nice video. I like your snubbie. I've thought about chopping the barrel of my .36 '51 Navy.
Maybe I'll just get a short barrel for my .44 '51 Navy, instead.
I believe in being absolutely safe with anything that is potentially dangerous.
I don't like putting my hand(s) in from of any barrel or cylinder.
That said, I load the revolver cylinders prior to shooting, and leave them uncapped until I'm ready to shoot.
I want to make a mushroom headed range rod for my Colonial and Howdah pistols. Don't like the factory rods much.
Already have a ball-ended range rod for my rifles.
I retract my previous post due to the fact that this is turning into a huge urinating contest.
Nice video. I like your snubbie. I've thought about chopping the barrel of my .36 '51 Navy.
Maybe I'll just get a short barrel for my .44 '51 Navy, instead.
I believe in being absolutely safe with anything that is potentially dangerous.
Thanks for the info
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Strawhat's 1860 bears a strong resemblence to a revolver attributed to Orin Porter Rockwell who was one of the earliest converts to the Church of Jesus Christ of LDS and boy hood friend of Joseph Smith. Porter became Joseph Smith's body guard and was a body guard of Brigham Young. He also blazed trails from Utah to California and lead pioneer companies to the west .
Some called him and his revolvers Morman Angels or Avenging Angels and some made accusations like those meantioned here about "death squads"
Porter served as a deputy Marshal most of his life and worked as a scout for the US Army and as a US mail Carrier...... not jobs one would expect of someone that really was a member of a "death squad"
A photo of his sawn off 1860 is on page xxxiv of the illustration section of "Stories from the Life of Porter Rockwell" by John W. Rockwell and Jery Borrowman from Covenant Communications of American Fork, Utah, May,
2010. ISBN 978-1-60861-005-1
There were originally four body guards and they were certainly colorful characters, at least one of them being excommunicated later in life. Most of the stories attributed to them in the anti-morman press of the times were not as well researched or vetted as your typical supermarket tabloid stories about aliens or big foot of today.
On atleast one occassion Porter used one of his snubbies to shoot through his coat pocket to shoot a man holding him at gunpoint and threatening to murder him. I imagine it must have been interesting to fire a BP revolver from a coat pocket, what with the flame and blast.
In the early 1980's I was doing an article on the S&W Bodyguard .38 Special and as one of its supposed attributes is that it can be fired like Porter's revolver from with in a coat pocket I had to try this. I had a sort of spoungy fabric zippered hoody from Sears that was a bit long in the tooth and so donated it to the cause ( and my publisher refused to replace any coat or jacket I shot up for some reason) and loaded the S&W up dropped it into a pocket and advanced to 3 meters from the manshaped target. Instructing my photographer to watch the pocket, NOT THE TARGET, and try to get a photo or two, I blazed away with three quick shots......before pain distracted me. Note to folks, streach polyester and blazing .38 Specials do not mix well. The pocket area of the jacket burst into flame breifly and melted over my hand and the revolver. Lost the hair on my hand and had like a bad sunburn from my shirt cuff down. The revolver cleaned up nicely though and the target had three good center hits. The photographer was staring at the target the entire time and got not one photo, but more importantly did not tell me I was ON FIRE. Darned shutter bugs.
I am however loath to repeat the experiment, especially with BP, for some reason.
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Some called him and his revolvers Morman Angels or Avenging Angels and some made accusations like those meantioned here about "death squads"
Porter served as a deputy Marshal most of his life and worked as a scout for the US Army and as a US mail Carrier...... not jobs one would expect of someone that really was a member of a "death squad"
A photo of his sawn off 1860 is on page xxxiv of the illustration section of "Stories from the Life of Porter Rockwell" by John W. Rockwell and Jery Borrowman from Covenant Communications of American Fork, Utah, May,
2010. ISBN 978-1-60861-005-1
There were originally four body guards and they were certainly colorful characters, at least one of them being excommunicated later in life. Most of the stories attributed to them in the anti-morman press of the times were not as well researched or vetted as your typical supermarket tabloid stories about aliens or big foot of today.
On atleast one occassion Porter used one of his snubbies to shoot through his coat pocket to shoot a man holding him at gunpoint and threatening to murder him. I imagine it must have been interesting to fire a BP revolver from a coat pocket, what with the flame and blast.
In the early 1980's I was doing an article on the S&W Bodyguard .38 Special and as one of its supposed attributes is that it can be fired like Porter's revolver from with in a coat pocket I had to try this. I had a sort of spoungy fabric zippered hoody from Sears that was a bit long in the tooth and so donated it to the cause ( and my publisher refused to replace any coat or jacket I shot up for some reason) and loaded the S&W up dropped it into a pocket and advanced to 3 meters from the manshaped target. Instructing my photographer to watch the pocket, NOT THE TARGET, and try to get a photo or two, I blazed away with three quick shots......before pain distracted me. Note to folks, streach polyester and blazing .38 Specials do not mix well. The pocket area of the jacket burst into flame breifly and melted over my hand and the revolver. Lost the hair on my hand and had like a bad sunburn from my shirt cuff down. The revolver cleaned up nicely though and the target had three good center hits. The photographer was staring at the target the entire time and got not one photo, but more importantly did not tell me I was ON FIRE. Darned shutter bugs.
I am however loath to repeat the experiment, especially with BP, for some reason.
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The linked article was interesting with the speculation that the guns found at Wells Fargo were factory modifications.
As to the Morman guns however.....note that Brigham Young specifically instructed one John Browning (father of John Moses Browning) to emigrate to Utah with his tools and equipment from Browning Brother's gunshop. Might be a bit hard to tell the work of John Browning from factory work, if he did those kinds of modifications.
Oh and Porter Rockwell occassionally worked as a stage coach guard when gold was being shipped....perhaps a Wells Fargo link there.
I do find it interesting that the front sights of some of the guns from the AR article and the picture of Porter's gun could have been drifted for windage adjustments and naturally the blades could have been trimmed for elevatin adjustments. Dispite the comment by the AR article's auther about the uslessness of sights on such guns , they may have offered better point of aim/point of impact at reasonable fighting ranges than their longer un modified brothers.
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As to the Morman guns however.....note that Brigham Young specifically instructed one John Browning (father of John Moses Browning) to emigrate to Utah with his tools and equipment from Browning Brother's gunshop. Might be a bit hard to tell the work of John Browning from factory work, if he did those kinds of modifications.
Oh and Porter Rockwell occassionally worked as a stage coach guard when gold was being shipped....perhaps a Wells Fargo link there.
I do find it interesting that the front sights of some of the guns from the AR article and the picture of Porter's gun could have been drifted for windage adjustments and naturally the blades could have been trimmed for elevatin adjustments. Dispite the comment by the AR article's auther about the uslessness of sights on such guns , they may have offered better point of aim/point of impact at reasonable fighting ranges than their longer un modified brothers.
-kBob
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''Note to folks, streach polyester and blazing .38 Specials do not mix well. The pocket area of the jacket burst into flame breifly and melted over my hand and the revolver. Lost the hair on my hand and had like a bad sunburn from my shirt cuff down."
I am fairly sure that this Porter feller did not wear Polyester clothing. Your experiment might have meant something if you had worn clothing made from material of the time period of Porter.
I am fairly sure that this Porter feller did not wear Polyester clothing. Your experiment might have meant something if you had worn clothing made from material of the time period of Porter.
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whats the legalities of carrying these? since they arent "firearms" in the eyes of the BATF i dont need to put them on my pistol permit in order to buy one, but what If i decide to carry it after it has a primer and thus being turned into a firearm in the eyes of the BATF, then what? hmmm great laws.
STRAWHAT - those are very cool really like the top one posing with the watch!
mykeal
man give it up or make a video on how YOU load your muzzle loaders. You are kinda getting loopy you cant argue the pictures and some how you are. You seem to have a technique that no one elses knows about and you feel everyone else is in danger so please make a video if you can . I am new to muzzle loaders and if there is a way to be safer i would like to know it but I believe you were just trying to make a point and be a downer to the OP video.
STRAWHAT - those are very cool really like the top one posing with the watch!
mykeal
man give it up or make a video on how YOU load your muzzle loaders. You are kinda getting loopy you cant argue the pictures and some how you are. You seem to have a technique that no one elses knows about and you feel everyone else is in danger so please make a video if you can . I am new to muzzle loaders and if there is a way to be safer i would like to know it but I believe you were just trying to make a point and be a downer to the OP video.
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