This "paper" claims we're zealots and part of the Twilight zone..

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A .50-caliber sniper rifle can hit a target at 4,500 feet, shatter bulletproof limousines, penetrate sandbags

At least the author is honest about his real concern.
 
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.50-caliber insanity
California takes lead in banning sniper rifle


Last update: January 07, 2005

A .50-caliber sniper rifle can hit a target at 4,500 feet, shatter bulletproof limousines, penetrate sandbags, earth berms, armored vehicles, commercial planes, and drill through the walls (and living rooms) of 10 suburban houses lined up one after another. The Geneva Conventions don't prohibit .50-caliber weapons' use against military personnel, and army manuals describe its usefulness in battle. But the weapon's use on civilians and in civilian areas is prohibited.
Oddly enough -- or maybe not so oddly in the twilight zone of Second Amendment zealotry -- you can buy a .50-caliber weapon from your friendly mail-order gun dealer. The Barrett line of .50-caliber sniper rifles, patented in 1987, is the "One Shot One Kill" enthusiasts' gun of choice. After its introduction and wide use in the first Gulf War, it made some famous cameos in the arsenals of infamous separatists in the 1990s (Timothy McVeigh owned one, the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas, had some). The .50-caliber weapon is also used by civilian police forces, although not by the area's largest forces -- the Daytona Beach Police Department and Volusia's and Flagler's sheriff's offices.

On Jan. 1, it became illegal to make, sell or distribute Barrett's .50-caliber Browning machine gun rifle in California. The state legislature passed the law last year, and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed it. California, so far, is the only state to have the good sense to ban the weapon. (Civilian possession of the weapon pre-dating the ban, however, is legal.) New York, Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts and Virginia tried banning it but failed. Florida hasn't tried and isn't likely to any time soon, judging from the reactionary record of the Legislature. But the debate surrounding the weapon's use (and now its lone-state ban) shows the distances gun extremists will go to to defend the indefensible -- and the sorry state of gun control efforts: Just last fall Congress and the president let expire a ban on assault weapons.

True, run-of-the-mill criminals aren't about to spend the necessary $2,000 to $8,000 to buy a .50-caliber sniper rifle, and gun control advocates would be hard pressed, if that's the route they chose, to blame shooting sprees on the weapon. Nevertheless, the General Accounting Office, Congress' investigative arm, in 1999 reported "a nexus" between the weapon and "terrorist groups, outlaw motorcycle gangs, international drug cartels, domestic drug dealers, religious cults, militia groups, potential assassins and violent criminals."

But a weapon's use (or non-use) by criminals isn't the only reason to argue for its ban. Tomahawk missiles haven't been used for criminal purposes domestically, either. That doesn't mean that a very rich weapons enthusiast should be allowed to have a few in his backyard. Controlling weaponry in civilian zones begins with common sense: What would possibly be the use of a weapon specifically designed to take out life at a very long distance, and originally designed as an antipersonnel and anti-aircraft gun, for sporting uses, let alone self-defense?

As a Schwarzenegger spokesman described the .50-caliber rifle, "It's a military-type weapon [that] presents a clear and present danger to the general public."

and my reply:
A .50-caliber sniper rifle can hit a target at 4,500 feet, shatter bulletproof limousines, penetrate sandbags, earth berms, armored vehicles, commercial planes, and drill through the walls (and living rooms) of 10 suburban houses lined up one after another.
-So can a spoon if properly used. :rolleyes:
 
Nevertheless, the General Accounting Office, Congress' investigative arm, in 1999 reported "a nexus" between the weapon and "terrorist groups, outlaw motorcycle gangs, international drug cartels, domestic drug dealers, religious cults, militia groups, potential assassins and violent criminals."
They forgot pornogrphers and child molesters. :rolleyes:
What would possibly be the use of a weapon specifically designed to take out life at a very long distance, and originally designed as an antipersonnel and anti-aircraft gun, for sporting uses, let alone self-defense?
Perhaps as an anti-tyrany weapon?
As a Schwarzenegger spokesman described the .50-caliber rifle, "It's a military-type weapon [that] presents a clear and present danger to the general public."
More importantly, it presents a clear and present danger to tyrants (or deterant to those with designs on becoming one).
 
*sigh*
In fact, the Barrett 82A1 is specifically banned in Connecticut. Good reasearch, as usual.
 
Tomahawk missiles haven't been used for criminal purposes domestically, either. That doesn't mean that a very rich weapons enthusiast should be allowed to have a few in his backyard

Huh? What? I should't?!?!

Honey! Go cover the silos! Quick, Dangit!!!
 
Interesting quip...

"Timothy McVeigh owned one,",

And with this uber-weapon at his disposal he chose a rented van, diesel fuel, and fertilizer as his means of doing his dastardly deeds.

migoi
 
The difference between a sniper rifle and a Tomahawk missile is extreme.

Hey, are there actually any laws preventing us from owning them? I know the NFA of 1934 requires me to pay a $200 tax stamp, but what laws beyond that are on the books?

Nevertheless, the General Accounting Office, Congress' investigative arm, in 1999 reported "a nexus" between the weapon and "terrorist groups, outlaw motorcycle gangs, international drug cartels, domestic drug dealers, religious cults, militia groups, potential assassins and violent criminals."

One can also find a "nexus" between those groups and Fly320s' spoon. BAN SPOONS BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
 
And its the military-type weapons that were the type the 2nd Amendment is intended to protect.
Exactly correct. The left has watered the 2nd down to 'hunting and legitimate sporting purpose', whatever that means.
 
On Jan. 1, it became illegal to make, sell or distribute Barrett's .50-caliber Browning machine gun rifle in California


These became machine guns when???????

Bllt
 
I am sad to admit that this was an editorial from my hometown paper. As I look behind me at it in the trash now I can only shake my head and chuckle. This is nothing new for these "unbiased" publishers. Also not suprising is that it seems to cater to the snowbirds and misplaced northeast retirees who were not quite strong enough to make it to Miami. When I first moved here I subscribed to this fishwrap not knowing what it really was. After I had it for about a year I finally got fed up and told them not to renew my sub. that was 4 years ago. About October I started getting it delvered again on some sort of promotional thing they were doing until the end of the year. The year has passed and I still get it. At least its free.

As I said to my coworker this morning who asked what I was laughing at " Nothing to see here, keep moving." This is not even worth a letter to the editor because any sort of common sense or logic would be lost. Even an attempt to at least educate them would also be lost. Kinda like trying to teach a pig to talk, it cant be done and it just annoys the pig.

* Edited to add: This is not the majority view of the rest of the state, only some of the coasties.
 
Nevertheless, the General Accounting Office, Congress' investigative arm, in 1999 reported "a nexus" between the weapon and "terrorist groups, outlaw motorcycle gangs, international drug cartels, domestic drug dealers, religious cults, militia groups, potential assassins and violent criminals."


The date being 1999 and a Demon-crat in the Whitehouse...well...I feel that said report has many many holes in it...and the holes aren't from a semi-automatic or bolt-operated, .50 caliber rifle. Lord I wish I could hurry along my plans and disappear somewhere between here (Texas) and Alaska...go "Mountain Man Jim" or the redneck equivalent....

And um...what if I bring my own hat? I mean...it IS made of tin-foil. :cool:

Darrell
 
You can build a cruise missle for under $5000. You need a GPS, and a pulsejet engine, which is not too hard to build, it sounds like a .22short machine gun firing 60 rounds a second. A guy in New Zealand did it just to prove to the world that it could be done.
 
These became machine guns when???????

Bllt

.50BMG = Browning Machine Gun.

They know it's rediculous to ban such an expensive weapon so they use every slimy, sneaky trick they can to sway the unknowing public. This includes "hot" words like "machine gun," it's a sure fire way to get people up in arms (har har) about gun control. The vermin. It's a shame that on-the-fencers aren't better informed, they are the ones that make the difference, and knowing that the left twists the facts to get results would discredit them.
 
My response....

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Regarding the editorial titled ".50-caliber insanity California takes lead in banning sniper rifle" of January 7, 2005.

Using false information and outright lies to peddle personal views is something one would expect from Joseph Goebbels but not the local news media. The only thing in the Twilight Zone is the author's perceived knowledge of firearms and the Constitution.

Most common hunting rifles will hit a target at 4,500 feet and if using armor piercing bullets, will penetrate armor. Of course, armor piercing ammunition isn't available to the public in any caliber, including the .50 BMG.

You cannot buy ANY firearm directly from a "mail-order dealer." All firearms sales must take place in person at a dealer's licensed premises and all federal and state paperwork and background checks must be followed.

It is interesting that you try to connect this particular rifle to criminals like Timothy McVeigh. Perhaps had there been a ban on .50 rifles, he might not have used a homemade bomb to blow up a federal building, eh?

I also like the use of the term "a nexus" used to describe the possibility of "terrorist groups, outlaw motorcycle gangs, international drug cartels, domestic drug dealers, religious cults, militia groups, potential assassins and violent criminals" using .50 BMG rifles. It sounds so scary! Better go ahead and describe the 'nexus" between motorcycle gangs and Harley-Davidson motorcycles.

Finally, the author makes the leap from acknowledging there has NEVER been a crime committed with a Barrett .50 rifle, but we need to ban them anyway out of common sense. Common sense would dictate we ban cigarettes, which kill thousands each year instead of worrying about the Barrett rifles. But common sense also tells us that banning cigarettes would be as about effective as banning alcohol during prohibition. Common sense also tells us that a criminal that desires a particular firearm will have no problem getting that firearm and preventing law abiding citizens from owning them is useless.

Instead of using bogus facts and scare tactics to convince the public to ban something that has no impact on crime or anything else, the author could use his time to pick up trash along the highways. At least the public would see him doing something useful.
 
we're zealots

I'll take that as a compliment. It's close enough to being a true statement that I won't argue the point. I am however mystified as to what kind of a fool would purposely antagonize a bunch of zealots :confused: Leads me to believe that the writer must not actually take their own assumptions seriously.
 
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