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Guys I have been following the program to replace the Canadian Rangers Lee-Enfield rifles for some time. The Canadian Rangers are basically a part of the Canadian Army Reserves and serve essentially as scouts and guides for the main forces and as reconnaissance troops. They patrol the wilderness in the most remote areas of Canada. They have been carrying Lee-Enfield .303 rifles since 1947, and needless to say, they have been long overdue for a modern rifle design since Lee-Enfield parts are becoming harder and harder to find and .303 British ammunition is obsolete in NATO service. They mainly use there rifles for survival, hunting food and protection from aggressive wildlife. That is why they have used Lee-Enfields for so long, they are very reliable in the extremely harsh conditions of rural Canada and are powerful enough to stop a bear or moose with a well placed round. An M4 rifle would be of little use to these guys.

So, they hosted trials for a replacement rifle and in the past year or so they settled on a modified version of the Tikka CTR (Compact Tactical Rifle). The version they have features a laminated stock, iron sights, a 20" barrel, and 10-round detachable box magazine and will be called the C19. It will be made under license by Colt Canada for the Rangers and will gradually be replacing the Lee-Enfields in service in the next few years.

That leads me to the Tikka Arctic.

This is the civilian model of the C19 and is exactly the same except the color of the laminated stock was changed from red highlights to orange ones and the stock does not feature the crest of the Canadian Rangers. Here are some pictures of the Tikka Arctic:

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While I'll admit the stock color is a little... different... I can see a high-visibility finish being useful for a survival rifle in case it is dropped or otherwise lost in the woods/snow etc. But how about those irons? They look reminiscent of the diopter sights found on HK rifles. From what I understand they are adjustable from 100-600 meters. The sights look very well thought out. I can't say I can even think of another current production bolt action rifle that comes with "real" sights that look this good. I am an open-sight shooter by nature, so if I were to buy this gun I would keep it as is and not scope it, just as the Canadian Rangers will be using them. The 10-round magazine also looks quite nice. I like how it doesn't extend far past the triggerguard like some detachable magazine bolt guns, such as the Ruger Gunsite Scout and others.

But about buying one, yeah... they are set to be released for sale to the Canadian public in October for... brace yourself... $2700. In American dollars, that's still almost $2100. :eek:

People all over the internet are struggling to understand why the rifle is being priced at this level, with no clear answers at this point. Most are saying they should be priced well below $1500, more around $1100-$1200. I've heard a lot of rumors as to the sky-high prices but nothing for sure. I can tell you though that many people are unhappy with this excessive price and I don't think very many of these will sell on the civilian market if this is in fact the true real-world MSRP. Hopefully, someone at Tikka will get off whatever drug(s) they're taking and the price will come down, but only time will tell.

As is, I think it's a great looking rugged wilderness survival rifle. I've been on the lookout for an open sights only .308 bolt gun for a long time now, something akin to a modernized WW2 service rifle. This new Canadian Ranger rifle seems to fit the bill and has a lot of style and potential I think, but man that price just scares me off big time.

What do you guys think? Other than that sky high price tag, what do you think?
 
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So, Tikka is copying a Mossberg MVP. Seriously, it just looks like they robbed a Savage magazine and slapped Tech Sights on a T3...
 
if it were in the 6-1K range, i might be fairly impressed. Its major features are ones i cant use, but it looks like a well thought out little rifle for the tasks it will be assigned.
 
I like this Tikka. I've liked what Tikka came up with for the Canadians however many months ago it was first shown. It is an all purpose rifle for those that want it or are issued it.

That rotating rear sight is interesting in that it seems to be full of only notches and no apertures mixed with notches.
 
That rotating rear sight is interesting in that it seems to be full of only notches and no apertures mixed with notches.

That's the first thing that stood out to me as well! I wonder if its because the apertures are too easily clogged with snow/debris that might be blowing around? You'd think for the longer-ranges though that they'd prefer the accuracy of a peep over a notch, but we must be missing something.

I also find it interesting that the civilian version doesn't have a threaded barrel. But I guess a suppressor would make the gun too long and heavy for what Tikka is after with this rifle? At $2k, I think it's a bit overpriced for what it is. Maybe its the fact that they have an integral rail on the receiver like some of the high-end custom actions? Who knows. I definitely don't plan on buying one soon.
 
That's the first thing that stood out to me as well! I wonder if its because the apertures are too easily clogged with snow/debris that might be blowing around? You'd think for the longer-ranges though that they'd prefer the accuracy of a peep over a notch, but we must be missing something.

You know, looking at the rear close up of the rear sight photo again, it looks like there is a hole or detent under the level of the notches. If that is a hole, that should be an aperture. If so, then the notches are just for hand grip.

That's what I get for trying to look at that photo on my phone earlier. :p
 
With that MSRP I wonder what the magazines cost?
I'm not at all impressed with laminate stocks and see many limitations in a military weapon but agree with its limited deployment in the far north but a lighter stock, shorter barrel, optional larger magazine and suppressor capable makes more sense to me.
I can't believe using the weapon for living off the land would be design criteria for a reconnaissance weapon, sounds counter productive for Scouts gathering Intel.
Besides I thought Cooper had all that business sorted out already.

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I've seen some articles about the Canadian Ranger contact on TFB. I think they wound up choosing a great platform, I have a regular CTR (an older T3, not the T3x that is being supplied to the Canadians), and it's one of my favorite rifles.

That said, the configuration they went with seems somewhat specialized to me, and I can't understand why anyone who is not the Canadian Rangers would pay so much extra over a CTR to get a heavier laminate stock and clamp on sights... Everything else appears to be pretty much stock CTR. The regular Tikka FRN stocks are quite stiff and strong, I just don't see how a laminate would do much functionally for most civilian users besides add weight. The sights are interesting, but there has got to be a way to attach clamp on sights to a standard CTR for much less than the price difference between the CTR and the Arctic, and you'd get to keep the standard threaded muzzle to boot.
 
Guys I decided to email Colt Canada to see about cost and availability of the Arctic rifle in the US. Here is there response:

Hello! I am from the US and am just wondering if you know if/when the "Tikka Arctic" or the civilian version of your C19 rifle will be released in the US? I would like to buy one as soon as I can if possible. Also, do you have any idea what the MRSP will be? Thank you so much for your time and have a great day!

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"Cooldill"

Good day
We are not quite at that stage yet. We ar still implementing the rifle into service. sorry.



PIERRE (Pete) Leger

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So it appears Colt Canada is currently busy arming up the Rangers which is no surprise. I still think it likely that eventually the Arctic will see a US release. We can only hope that the MSRP will not be so lofty when it happens. If the cost is reasonable, I will be buying one for sure. It checks off a lot of boxes for me.
 
Gtscotty said:
I think they wound up choosing a great platform, I have a regular CTR (an older T3, not the T3x that is being supplied to the Canadians), and it's one of my favorite rifles.

+1. I've got a CTR as well, and very happy with it. With a 20" barrel, though, it's more of a mid-range rifle, so the addition of irons seems like a pretty functional addition.

X-Rap said:
With that MSRP I wonder what the magazines cost?

The original CTRs used Sako TRG mags, and are very expensive ($193 at EuroOptic). Later T3x CTRs, including the one in the pic, seem to use a different mag that's a bit cheaper ($115 from EuroOptic). I'd be interested to know if the later T3x mags fit in the earlier T3 rifles.
 
Thanks for the price information on the mags. Can't understand why a company who is designing a gun with military intent would not build around one of the ubiquitous magazine patterns that are purchased by the millions and in mass circulation.
I have a couple guns that have rare and expensive magazines but that is because of production being stopped, if these weren't shipped with at least 5 I couldn't imagine purchasing.

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With a 20" barrel, though, it's more of a mid-range rifle, so the addition of irons seems like a pretty functional addition.

I suppose so, I really don't see the 20" barrel as much of a handicap for a .308 unless you are shooting at the extreme end of the cartridge's capability. My CTR is shot almost entirely at steel from 400 yds to 700 yds, I suppose for a lot of long-range competition shooters that qualifies as mid-range, but it is definitely on the extreme end of iron sight usage. With irons I can't make out individual clay pigeons laid out on the 700 yd berm, but with my fixed 12x on the CTR, they are not safe. Of course one could use a rifle like this at 200 yds with irons quite effectively, but you would definitely not be pushing the capabilities of the rifle.

The CTR originally shipped with TRG 22 magazines. For Tikka, a subsidiary of Sako, it makes some kind of sense to use the same magazine as their parent company's standard sniper/tactical rifle the TRG 22. The TRG magazines allow long OAL's and feed very reliably, on the other hand they are quite expensive.

The newer, cheaper CTR magazines came out for the original T3 version of the CTR before the T3x started shipping. I've read that while they work well in the CTR, they cannot be used in a TRG.
 
Other than that sky high price tag, what do you think?

A bolt action with a peep sight on it is a very good idea. This one looks lighter and handier than the one they were using, the Lee Enfield No. 4. There are some modern improvements on the new gun, the laminated stock, highly practical sight, improved magazine system, newer cartridge. But on the whole, it is a matter of plus ça change. I wonder if they phoned the Yank parts places before declaring that the Lees could no longer be maintained for lack of parts. Check out the list:

https://www.google.com/search?q=lee.....69i57j0l5.4231j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Other than that, my thoughts are that the new rifle looks decidedly scout-like. I wonder if the rear sight will be available as a separate part, for it looks like something I would like.
 
The reason for the price is likely based on the expected volumes of production and sale. If they expected to make and sell millions to the military market, I suspect that the price would be much, much lower. I also suspect that they are spreading the cost of the mil-spec testing over to the civilian market. In the US, this testing is extensive and expensive (remember the expensive toilet seats? They were expensive because they were tested to mil-specs).

BTW, I really like this little rifle.
 
The reason for the price is likely based on the expected volumes of production and sale. If they expected to make and sell millions to the military market, I suspect that the price would be much, much lower. I also suspect that they are spreading the cost of the mil-spec testing over to the civilian market. In the US, this testing is extensive and expensive (remember the expensive toilet seats? They were expensive because they were tested to mil-specs).

BTW, I really like this little rifle.
Well apparently it sounds like Colt Canada is busy replacing those Lee-Enfields that are still in service. If and when it happens, I'll be ready. Just not sure if my wallet will be ready! :eek: :)
 
I really like that rifle and the way it is set up, however I would not pay that much for one. If it were around 1,000, then it would be tempting. I already have a Ruger GS and it is a fine rifle, so paying more than double for essentially the same thing would be tough. This rifle does look a bit more trim and sevelt. I hope the initial cost comes down because I would like to try one.
 
I really like that rifle and the way it is set up, however I would not pay that much for one. If it were around 1,000, then it would be tempting. I already have a Ruger GS and it is a fine rifle, so paying more than double for essentially the same thing would be tough. This rifle does look a bit more trim and sevelt. I hope the initial cost comes down because I would like to try one.
When the Ruger Gunsite Scout was first released I was stoked. But after hearing some (honest) reviews on it and considering it's features, I realized it wasn't the gun for me. It's very short barrel with flash hide wasn't to my liking, and I could never get over the massively oversized Accuracy International magazine system.

This new Tikka Arctic seems to be set up more thoughtfully for actual hunting and rifle shooting IMHO. It's just a shame if the price really will be what it is. They will lose a lot of sales on the civilian market, as like you, many are not pleased with the claimed introductory MSRP.
 
For that price it would stay on the shelf. The CZ550 FS (20" barrel) comes in different calibres; 6.5x55SWE, .270win, .30'06, 9.3x62, .243win and .308 so there's lots to choose from. Wood stock, open sights (OK not diopter sights but still...) and only $890 MSRP.
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-550-fs-6-5-x-55-adj-5-rd-fixed-mag/

How can the Tikka even compete with that? FYI, I own a Tikka T3 and a CZ 527, both are nice rifles but on cost alone I would go CZ without a doubt.
 
My first thought is the Canadian Military has the same overprices arms suppliers as the US Military do.

I wonder how the Savage Hog Hunter would do in comparison testing?

Laminated rifle stocks are common and should not be very expensive.

Some redesign is necessary to move the rear sight back for long sight radius.

Scope is a nice option but is it really necessary when hunting game such as seals?

I think detachable magazine is a bad idea. Miles and miles from anywhere and cold, rugged terrain and a lost magazine is very bad. Of course they probably always carry extra mags but still...
 
When the Ruger Gunsite Scout was first released I was stoked. But after hearing some (honest) reviews on it and considering it's features, I realized it wasn't the gun for me. It's very short barrel with flash hide wasn't to my liking, and I could never get over the massively oversized Accuracy International magazine system.

This new Tikka Arctic seems to be set up more thoughtfully for actual hunting and rifle shooting IMHO. It's just a shame if the price really will be what it is. They will lose a lot of sales on the civilian market, as like you, many are not pleased with the claimed introductory MSRP.

http://rugerforum.net/ruger-bolt-action/82015-follow-up-my-2011-gsr-post-pic-heavy.html


Here is pretty (honest) post by me. I realize that there is not much you can do about the short barrel, but the F/H comes off very easily. I have not found the short barrel to be much of a handicap out to 400 yards and it will shoot much further without a lot of effort. Magpul and Ruger have pretty much taken care of the obtrusive magazine problem, but I do prefer the AICS pattern to the to one offered by SAKO. I just feel there are more options. I really like the C19 and would definitely pick one up if the price comes back down to earth. In the mean time I will continue to use and enjoy my Ruger GSR.
 
http://rugerforum.net/ruger-bolt-action/82015-follow-up-my-2011-gsr-post-pic-heavy.html


Here is pretty (honest) post by me. I realize that there is not much you can do about the short barrel, but the F/H comes off very easily. I have not found the short barrel to be much of a handicap out to 400 yards and it will shoot much further without a lot of effort. Magpul and Ruger have pretty much taken care of the obtrusive magazine problem, but I do prefer the AICS pattern to the to one offered by SAKO. I just feel there are more options. I really like the C19 and would definitely pick one up if the price comes back down to earth. In the mean time I will continue to use and enjoy my Ruger GSR.
If you use the 5-round Ruger or Magpul magazines than you would be correct, but the 10-round versions still protrude well below the Sako magazines.

The GSR, while I'm sure it's great, just doesn't do it for me. It gets close, but misses the mark in many areas FOR ME. I can understand why people love them though.
 
I totally agree about the mags and I also feel that rifles are very personal tool and should fit the user and their purpose. Most of my friends think I am crazy for owning and shooting the GSR, but I enjoy it and like it for my desert travels. Now we just need to rally the Canadians and get that rifle down here at a reasonable price!

I am especially interested in working with that rear sight!
 
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