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ok, i get why a lot of things are being bought because of the possibility of gun control laws. firearms, ammo, reloading components for many things. but i do not understand some things. certainly they will not outlaw 22 long rifle ammunition. to do that would be certain political suicide for all concerned. i do not believe that the ridiculous "high capacity" 22 long rifle law new york passed will stand up to the test of time either. it is just plain stupid. and all it will take to defeat it is someone willing to put up the money to defend the rights of the people. the same goes for certain calibers of hunting rounds. like the 30-30. to outlaw that would be to outlaw well over 100 years of family tradition hunting and firearms that have been handed down from one generation to the next for more decades and scores than i care to talk about. since no one to my knowledge has ever produced a semi auto 30-30, you would think that this caliber would be exempt from anything but totally insane legislation. i was going to the same for the 45-70, but the original "machine gun" took care of that. those are just two of the most obvious calibers that crossed my mind. i know there are MANY others. if i owned a ak-47, or 74, or anything even remotely tied to the "assault weapon" theme that the crazed politicians are homing in on, i would be buying up anything i could get my hands on as well. but some things just make no sense to me about all of this. whats next, shotgun shells? muzzle loading projectiles, powder, and caps?
 
The herd doesn't know why they are stampeeding - but they are doing it anyway because everyone else is.
 
Reminds me of goldfinches on a feeder, that scare the heck out of themselves every few minutes. My nephew paid $10 for 1 box of RIO 12ga shells at a SHOW the other day here in NC. :rolleyes:
 
certainly they will not outlaw 22 long rifle ammunition
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Don't have to out law it, just make it more trouble than its worth for stores to mess with by requiring licensed sellers at the cash registers, a background check on buyers, and mandating sales records & reporting.
 
2 years from now, after the next 3 mass shootings, when they pass the $5 per round tax on ammo, all those people who bought ammo and kept the stores empty between 2013 and 2015 are going to say "See, I told you to buy it"!

In other words, it has become obvious to many people that they cannot predict the future so they are trying to prepare for it now.
 
I wish I could quote whoever here said it first, but I'll try and paraphrase as best I can...

You have a lot, and I mean A LOT of people who are either becoming gun owners for the first time, or existing gun owners that were caught flat footed without much stock or product that they wanted.

Both groups head to the retailer and buy what's available and while they are there buying their Glock 19, they buy a .22 pistol and the ammo for both. Both groups think it would be best to stock up now for "next time" and continue buying whatever, wherever, whenever possible. Some of them think that it's time to get into reloading, so there goes the powder, primers, dies, etc.

These people know that .22 ammo and reloading equipment isn't going to be banned. But they are trying to catch up to the position they wish they had been at before the panic began. They're trying to get 'all set up' for the next shortage.

That's why a lot of product that has zero chance of being banned is just as scarce as a Bushmaster rifle is.
 
One reason 22lr is gone is because a lot of the people who were shooting 9mm, 40, 45, 223/5.56, 7.62x39, etc. can't afford to anymore, so they decide that they can get in some range time with 22lr. Also, when firearms sales go up, it makes people think about firearm sales, they realize that they could probably have some more 30-30 or 45-70, so they buy it.
 
I don't have much time so I will try to put my 2 cents in and make it brief.

Talk of assault rifle bans on common rifles like ARs and AKs creates large numbers of sales in that segment of the market. Demand increases for these guns and their respective ammo among current gun owners and possibly new shooters entering the market. When prices on .223 and 7.62 go through the roof people start to hold onto that ammo instead of shooting it because it is expensive to replace right now. Everyone decides they will shoot 22lr in the meantime and since most people don't have any reserves of 22lr or anything else for that matter, even 22 becomes difficult to find.
 
Reminds me of goldfinches on a feeder, that scare the heck out of themselves every few minutes

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Now thats funny !! Good analogy !!
 
MtnCreek said:
Knowledge and Logic. Throw those two out the window and it’ll start to make more sense.
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In California it makes perfect sense. "They" know that making guns into awkwardly shaped clubs is just a matter of making ammo too expensive for anybody but cops, .gov & the rest of the elites. "Safety taxes" and mail order sales bans are a real possibilty in the PRK and other socialist states.

Tried to buy any Norinco guns or ammo lately? That's another thing.
 
Addendum

Make no mistake, I have less than ZERO love for this administration, and trust Democrats in general about as far as I could throw 'em. I put NOTHING past the the left when in power - or not. It's just frustrating when folks go a little crazy before they have to.
 
It is easy to store, carry, can be pressed into almost any defense/survival application, I view 22 ammo almost as money in the bank. There is also a constant drum beat from the EPA and environmentalists wishing lead bullets to go away. If that happens I would imagine the cheap simple 22LR that we knew to become very expensive in deed.
I can't think of having less than a couple thousand rounds for each 22 rifle or pistol that I have.
 
I live in a place with few gun shops. So I was surprised the other day when I saw a pawn store, that does not sell/deal in firearms, ever had a handwritten sign stating they bought ammunition now. Not selling it mind you... at least not at the store.

On a hunch, I asked if they were going to sell it on the internet?

-big grin- "That's right, makin' huge mark-ups."...was their reply.

Speculators who have about as much interest in shooting and the second ammendment as ....Venezuelan millionaires who are buying real estate actually intend to live in the houses they buy up here.

I do not think this pawn shop is an aberration in the marketplace.
 
Right now I am putting several hundred rounds a week through my .22.... pellet gun. I don't really shoot .22 LR very much but if you don't have a pellet gun, I suggest you go buy one and do a LOT of practice on it. There is no shortage of pellets.
 
x_wrench said:
ok, i get why a lot of things are being bought because of the possibility of gun control laws. firearms, ammo, reloading components for many things. but i do not understand some things. certainly they will not outlaw 22 long rifle ammunition. to do that would be certain political suicide for all concerned. i do not believe that the ridiculous "high capacity" 22 long rifle law new york passed will stand up to the test of time either. it is just plain stupid. and all it will take to defeat it is someone willing to put up the money to defend the rights of the people. the same goes for certain calibers of hunting rounds. like the 30-30. to outlaw that would be to outlaw well over 100 years of family tradition hunting and firearms that have been handed down from one generation to the next for more decades and scores than i care to talk about. since no one to my knowledge has ever produced a semi auto 30-30, you would think that this caliber would be exempt from anything but totally insane legislation. i was going to the same for the 45-70, but the original "machine gun" took care of that. those are just two of the most obvious calibers that crossed my mind. i know there are MANY others. if i owned a ak-47, or 74, or anything even remotely tied to the "assault weapon" theme that the crazed politicians are homing in on, i would be buying up anything i could get my hands on as well. but some things just make no sense to me about all of this. whats next, shotgun shells? muzzle loading projectiles, powder, and caps?
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This feels a bit like a gripe session. Basically this can be boiled down to two questions:

Why are people concerned? Why didn't they prepare earlier?

Its obvious that people are concerned and its obvious why they are. So the question seems out of place.
However, if you haven't prepared, and if you are concerned, isn't this the right time to buy ammo?

I might add, we are witnessing a "run" on guns and ammo. (I'm not sure its caused by panic buying alone. This market was squeezed bare by government purchases first.)

We can just as easily see a "run" on food or money. So, if not now, when is it appropriate to get your ducks in a row?

On the question of 22's...

If you go to the store and all the white bread is gone, and has been gone for weeks, doesn't it make sense to buy whatever bread is available?

Just some thoughts...
 
CoRoMo said:
I wish I could quote whoever here said it first, but I'll try and paraphrase as best I can...

You have a lot, and I mean A LOT of people who are either becoming gun owners for the first time, or existing gun owners that were caught flat footed without much stock or product that they wanted.

Both groups head to the retailer and buy what's available and while they are there buying their Glock 19, they buy a .22 pistol and the ammo for both. Both groups think it would be best to stock up now for "next time" and continue buying whatever, wherever, whenever possible. Some of them think that it's time to get into reloading, so there goes the powder, primers, dies, etc.

These people know that .22 ammo and reloading equipment isn't going to be banned. But they are trying to catch up to the position they wish they had been at before the panic began. They're trying to get 'all set up' for the next shortage.

That's why a lot of product that has zero chance of being banned is just as scarce as a Bushmaster rifle is.
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Not trying to pick a fight CoRoMo, but I wouldn't assume anything right now. Saying they will never ban such and such isn't practical.

No one ever thought our president would ban gold coins. Nor did they think they would confiscate gold.

I don't endorse gouging or panic buying, but we may never see ammo prices go back to normal. This might be our new normal...

Buy carefully and store regularly. Not just ammo.
 
One observation I've made is that it's not only panic buyers buying up all the inventory at Walmart and Bass Pro. It's also (mostly?) people who are trying to make a buck in the secondary market.

I was at Bass Pro last week and the checkout girl told me some guys had walked out with ammo they didn't pay for, then tried to sell the ammo in the parking lot.
 
x_wrench said:
certainly they will not outlaw 22 long rifle ammunition.
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Do not doubt how vehement some of these antis are about removing firearms. I am sure away from a microphone, the most powerful weapon they would allow among the populace are airsoft and BB guns if they got their way. They don't just have to outlaw the ammo or weapon, they could just make it harder/more expensive to buy. Sound familiar?
 
speaking of More expensive: Today I went to one of our local gun shops in search of reloading components that I needed and while there wondered over to the gun powder
sales area. they had 8 lb jugs of rifle powder priced at a whopping $279.-- per jug.
I left that store and doubt I'll ever go back.

Good Shooting

Lindy
 
I'm probably lucky. The only gun shop close to me had Sierra 50gr SP's for $16 and change for 100. Powder, while not a huge selection was $21 - $27/lb and the tags looked dusty enough to look not changed anytime recently, so I thought, OK. I think he kind of got me on one of the two 100 ct. CCI 450 primers he had in stock though, at like $9.
They had a pretty good selection of bullets too, though most were 250 ct. in .224 . I choose not to panic. My issue is that sometimes we shooters shoot ourselves in the foot feeding the panic/buy/sell/profit thing.
 
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