Two Performance Center Revolvers, but Which One

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Actually more like good time get togethers including burgers and hot dogs, with bragging rights on the line....

Again I misunderstood the question(s) in the OP and I'm truly sorry for that.

I have no desire in any way shape or form to get back into the cutthroat competition league and organisational matches and watching grown men whine and act complete jerks.......

No one is responsible for the actions of others but I personally don't see that very often. But I only participate in 45 or so matches a year so I'm not getting too much exposure I guess. However I say the same thing with respect to being an active volunteer firefighter, the minute it stops being fun, I'm outta here.


....... I'm too old and arthritic to even waste my time at that level.

I feel your pain literally but most of my arthritis is in my ankles. At 60 I'm just not ready to give up though.


.......Go ahead and flame away, but as a CRSO I've worked and continue to work these matches, and seen far more attitude than skill. Rant over, probably uncalled for but it hit a nerve. To quote Forest Gump, "That's all I got to say about that." My apologies if I've offended anyone.

I don' think anyone is offended, I'm certainly not as I appreciate the vast amount of experience and wisdom you bring to the discussion here.

.......

Take care my Brother!
 
This is of course true and a great idea however you will have to purchase brass from Starline and moon clips from TK (for the starline brass). I think Lee is the only supplier of ready to roll dies for those calibers. It's a great idea but expensive. I'm fairly certain that any N frame you buy new will have a hefty trigger that should be taken care of. Not sure if this applies to a new TRR8.

Factory ammo is available for both rounds (38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt). See Midway USA.

Why would one need moon clips? Both rounds are rimmed and as wide as the 38 Special rims.
 
Factory ammo is available for both rounds (38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt). See Midway USA.

Why would one need moon clips? Both rounds are rimmed and as wide as the 38 Special rims.
The fastest way to reload a revolver is with moonclips. For some games that matters a lot to your score.
 
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The fastest way to reload a revolver is with moonclips. For some games that matters allot to your score.

Sure. But they're not necessary, and it's not clear why thomas15 said so.

btw; allot is two words; a lot. not one word. allot means something different.
 
I would go with the 627. The all steel frame is nice for soaking up the recoil and since it appears it's going to be a competition/range toy the weight is your friend. Especially if you're pushing hotter loads for pin matches or similar.

That said there is nothing wrong with the aluminum frame version either. More accessory options for sure but you can put a red dot on either frame.

I took my 627 to the USPSA nationals, my backup gun was a 327 TRR8.
 
I’d go 627 for sure, if you can find a 627 VComp that might be cool too if a compensator is allowed, plus it comes off if you want to run a conventional muzzle.

The 327 and other scandium frame Smith’s have had issues with flame cutting of the little stainless steel insert protecting the frame at the barrel cylinder gap.

So for a gun to be shot a lot, I would go for the steel frame personally.
 
I took my 627 to the USPSA nationals, my backup gun was a 327 TRR8.

Cool, experience with both,

How were the stock trigger pulls, any idea on sa/da pull weights? Action smoothness and consistency comparable between the two? Did you have one or both modified or run stock?

Take Care
 
Cool, experience with both,

How were the stock trigger pulls, any idea on sa/da pull weights? Action smoothness and consistency comparable between the two? Did you have one or both modified or run stock?

Take Care

I am the second owner of my 627 but I believe the trigger is basically stock. The previous owner may have polished surfaces but all the parts are factory. The single action trigger pull measured 4.0 lbs and 10lbs double action.

I have changed the grip from a Hogue square conversion grip to a round butt grip with the tongue behind the cylinder release trimmed off to form a shelf for my strong hand thumb. I changed the cylinder release for a California competition release and the front sight to a fiber optic sight.

The 327 TRR8 was borrow from a friend. It was brand new when he bought it and only had 2-3 thousand rounds through it when I borrowed it. Did not measure trigger pull but it was slightly heavier but just as smooth as my 627.
 
Sure. But they're not necessary, and it's not clear why thomas15 said so.

True they are not necessary. In the context of this discussion we were looking for ways to improve performance and speed, not slow it down. Sorry you missed that point.

Of course, now the individual purchases a brand new Performance Center revolver and takes it out shooting even in a friendly get together and then the oh so happy individual with an ear-to-ear smiles invites a fellow Performance Center revolver owner to try out his brand new gun. On inspection the fellow PC owner dude states "nice but what's with that trigger"? Perplexed you ask innocently "what do you mean "what's up with that trigger"". Fellow PC owner dude responds back "you have an approx. 14.739 pound trigger pull and you are asking me to explain?" "Did you not notice this or inspect the pull with a trigger scale?"

After what seems like a year of awkward silence, you sheepishly respond "this is a S&W Performance Center revolver, it is hand crafted and ready for the National Matches!"...(pause)... "Not only that, the single action trigger is smooth as "ice on glass!""

(more awkward silence)

"I hate to break it to you son" fellow PC owner calmly retorts. "You have a really nice gun that has lots-o-potential but it's not hand crafted at the factory and it's certainly not ready for anything even semi-serious never mind the Nationals". "Here, try this" as he hands you his 627 PC revolver. At the safe table you give the trigger a few pulls and cannot believe the difference. Fellow PC owner dude has an approx. 6.739 pound trigger in double action and there is no hammer spur to even contemplate a single action trigger.

"My PC 627 isn't like this gun!" in anguish you cry out.

Fellow PC owner dude informs new PC owner that to the serious or even semi-serious revolver shooter, these guns are really "kit guns" PC label and price tag not withstanding. "Son, if you want to unleash the potential of that new Performance Center gun it's going to involve opening up that wallet and having a revolver smith lighten up the trigger and smooth out the action". Lighten it up to where mine is, about 6.5 pounds then you will be required to shoot only handloads with Federal #100 primers seated below flush. You are of course free to try CCI or S&B primers on sale at Cabelas but if you want to hear "bang" and not "click" it's Federal primers".
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So the two fold moral of the story is S&W PC revolvers are not what you think they are and if you are going to put the money into a new PC revolver to make it a competition worthy firearm, then you are going to handload your ammo anyway, you really should consider 38 long or short colt brass and moon clips. Not doing so is like putting regular gasoline into the tank of your Mercedes Benz C-300 with 4-MATIC. The motor will run but it will run like crap.

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To put the question asked by the OP into dollars and cents, here is what he is up against (this is not an exact price list so don't nit pick it):

$1050.00 Cost of S&W PC 627
$400.00 Cost to have a revolver smith tune the action, lighten up the trigger, bob the hammer, chamfer the charge holes, ball detent in the crane open position, ….otherwise work his magic.
$50.00 Cost for a red dot mount.
$200-$500 cost for red dot sight (note: the included factory iron sights work but they suck)
$4.00-$8.00 X number of moon clips the shooter wants to have (note moon clips are to a certain degree brass headstamp specific.
$100.00 for moon clip tool(s)

Options that are nice to have but not necessary:
$80.00+ to replace the factory grips
$80.00 to replace the factory thumb latch
$50.00 for a good two piece (inner/outer) belt
$100.00-$250.00 for a good holster
$100.00-$250-00 for belt mounted moon clip holders
$40.00 for Lee 38 long/short Colt die set
$100.00 for 1000 pcs Starline 30 long/short Colt brass

Notice how the purchase price of a PC revolver becomes sort of lost in the cost of the overall adventure? So, lets say that to get a new in the box S&W 627 PC revolver ready is going to cost at least $1500.00, probably close to $2000.00 depending on what ancillary items the individual needs to acquire.

On another popular thread on this board there is a discussion about shooting single action quickly. It is true that an individual that shoots a single action revolver can perform a reload quickly. But quickly is a relative term when shooting on the clock with good solid revolver shooters shooting double action with moon clips. Practice anything long and hard enough the individual will become good at it. This applies to shooting and reloading single action revolvers in a double action moon clip world or shooting a 6 shot revolver in an 8 shot world.

Have a wonderful day!
 
As the OP,

I'm not up against squat if I don't care to be.

To be honest, I regret ever starting this thread. Now remembering why I went 15 years without posting on this forum.

Take Care
 
To be honest, I regret ever starting this thread. Now remembering why I went 15 years without posting on this forum.

Dear Sir

While we are in the mood to be honest allow me to say that you asked a question, received many detailed answers from several individuals that are the result of many many years of accumulated experience, trial and mistakes, decided that those answers are not what you had already determined the answers should be, then you run off in a snit because the actual answers are not to your liking.

So, with that in mind and with all due respect accorded to you as a fellow traveler in life's amazing journey, here is what you want to hear in response to your OP question:

QUESTION: Two Performance Center Revolvers, but Which One?

ANSWER: Settle for the 6 shot revolver that you already have. Anything else is going to mark you as a revolver snob, will prove to others that will continue to struggle with 6 shooters that you are more talk than talent and will ruin the fun of the casual get together.

There you are...and you are btw welcome!

Have a wonderful day!
 
I’m not sure how or why the OP feels the thread went sideways, since they got plenty of the quality and informed advice they asked for. Let’s call this one done.
 
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