In the November issue of the AMERICAN RIFLEMAN in an article titled "A CLEAN BARREL" John Barsness sings the praises of a material called Ultra Bore Coat. This coating supposedly reduces barrel fouling and the subsequent need for constant cleaning. I went to the address on the website listed and apparently the website has been shutdown? Do any of you have experience with this material? Is this company still in business? Thankyou for your time and consideration. Paul Cunningham.
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NCsmitty
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There is a link to a barrel coating on the 6mmBR site. It's near the bottom of the page titled barrel surface treatments. Kind of expensive for the average shooter. It seems to be a surface hardening treatment.
www.6mmbr.com/barrels.html
Ultra Bore Coat website is gone from what I could find.
NCsmitty
www.6mmbr.com/barrels.html
Ultra Bore Coat website is gone from what I could find.
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rangerruck
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the best metals penetration material and coating I know of, and have used
is this;
http://www.shootersolutions.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKsohPW5LVs
is this;
http://www.shootersolutions.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKsohPW5LVs
alemonkey
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I'm a No. 9 guy.
If brushing removes the treatment, how in the world can it stay applied with bullets moving through it at 3000 fps???
Personally, I think if all these fancy treatments actually did anything, you'd see the high end barrel makers recommending them. I enjoy reading American Rifleman, but I don't trust much of what I read in a gun mag. The only reason I get AR is because it's included in my NRA membership and I know the money goes to a good cause.
I did agree with most of the article though. I think most people obsess about about getting their bores clean when it's not necessary. A lot of guns shoot better with a dirt bore. This is third hand knowledge, but I talked to a guy a few weeks ago who was friends with one of the coaches for the U.S. Olympic team years ago. He said after he cleaned the barrel of his Anschutz it always took a few hundred rounds before it got back to its best accuracy.
If brushing removes the treatment, how in the world can it stay applied with bullets moving through it at 3000 fps???
Personally, I think if all these fancy treatments actually did anything, you'd see the high end barrel makers recommending them. I enjoy reading American Rifleman, but I don't trust much of what I read in a gun mag. The only reason I get AR is because it's included in my NRA membership and I know the money goes to a good cause.
I did agree with most of the article though. I think most people obsess about about getting their bores clean when it's not necessary. A lot of guns shoot better with a dirt bore. This is third hand knowledge, but I talked to a guy a few weeks ago who was friends with one of the coaches for the U.S. Olympic team years ago. He said after he cleaned the barrel of his Anschutz it always took a few hundred rounds before it got back to its best accuracy.
ExtremeGunCare
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Hello Everyone,
My name is Jason from www.ExtremeGunCare.com Ultra Bore Coat is an amazing product. It is still being manufactured and I am a distributor for this product. If you are interested in Ultra Bore Coat, check out www.ExtremeGunCare.com. We will be more than happy to talk to you about this product and how it is applied. For those of you who live in the St. Louis Metro Area, we apply this coat to your guns for a minimal fee.
My name is Jason from www.ExtremeGunCare.com Ultra Bore Coat is an amazing product. It is still being manufactured and I am a distributor for this product. If you are interested in Ultra Bore Coat, check out www.ExtremeGunCare.com. We will be more than happy to talk to you about this product and how it is applied. For those of you who live in the St. Louis Metro Area, we apply this coat to your guns for a minimal fee.
Uncle Mike
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WOW!...have you ever heard of 'Ultrasnakeoil'..!?!
ExtremeGunCare
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Uncle Mike,
Your comment is very unwarranted. There have been numerous articles from various sources that have utilized the product and confirms what Ultra Bore Coat does. Maybe you should read up on something before you start commenting about it being a fake!
Two Links:
http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/pdf/2009-10/20091015104116-cleanbarrel.pdf
http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/GUNS/GUNS0210/?Page=44
Your comment is very unwarranted. There have been numerous articles from various sources that have utilized the product and confirms what Ultra Bore Coat does. Maybe you should read up on something before you start commenting about it being a fake!
Two Links:
http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/pdf/2009-10/20091015104116-cleanbarrel.pdf
http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/GUNS/GUNS0210/?Page=44
Darkside
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Ultra Coatings Inc. Has merged with another company called Dynamic Finishes in Kansas City, Mo. Contact them and ask to talk to Doug, He was the person that JB got the stuff from for the article. Doug has been pretty busy since SHOT.(lots of Irons in the fire.)
Darkside
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Ultra Bore Coat home website is http://www.ultracoatingsinc.com/
Uncle Mike
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Easy captain Ultra!
I'm not saying anything about it being ....fake! It is very, very, real indeed!
As far as various articles attesting to its viability...there was a magnet thingy you slapped on your fuel line that was supposed to increase your gas milage...and a $50 piece of bent sheetmetal you put in your air cleaner, it was going to give you an extra ten miles to the gallon and fifty extra horse power too boot!
There were numerous articles attesting to the worth, function and merit of these things also.....
No offense intended, just my humble opinion, which is warranted on a public forum such as this.... you really, successfully, cannot argue with opinion!
If the stuff works for you, great! When we all tried the stuff, we did not notice any difference in bore fouling or velocity increases using the chronographs, we thought it might be a money maker for the shops..... obviously, we applied it wrongly, or did something wrong.....how's that?
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There are chemicals that produce 'case hardening' for lack of a better word. For example a sulphur phosphorus additive is what is used in gear oil. It causes the surface or skin of steel to become harder than the metal beneath. Leaving the metal beneath still somewhat flexible, or not brittle.
It stands to reason that it would be possible to do the same thing with barrels.
I was in a school (major oil company) some 25 years ago. The instructor was describing this chemical process. I pointed out that he had just described case hardening. You would have thought that I pinched his wife on the butt. The oil companies don't want to call it "case hardening".
It stands to reason that it would be possible to do the same thing with barrels.
I was in a school (major oil company) some 25 years ago. The instructor was describing this chemical process. I pointed out that he had just described case hardening. You would have thought that I pinched his wife on the butt. The oil companies don't want to call it "case hardening".
ExtremeGunCare
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I just wanted to let you know I have DIY Kits for Ultra Bore Coat and Dyna-Gun Shield. www.ExtremeGunCare.com also carries other cleaning products you may need to properly prep your gun before applying either coatings.
Good Shooting,
Jason Lumetta
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Good Shooting,
Jason Lumetta
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paducahrider
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Ultrawhatever!!
Howdy!
If a brush removes the product, as many claim(and I believe), then a bullet will remove it also.
ClayinAR claims this is similar to "case hardening" but I see a major difference, since there is no "coating" created with case hardening, but a chemical change in the outer layer of the treated steel. This can actually extend a few thousandths of an inch BELOW the surface, and is NOT easily removed by a simple brushing.
I've seen similar claims for a variety of products over the last fifty years or so, and most just don't prove to be as revolutionary as they claim.
Years ago, marketers would drain the oil from cars and run them for miles with "NO DAMAGE" to the engine. If all this hype were fact, nothing would ever wear out, and I see no evidence of that being the case.
Moly wear reducers have been around since the sixties and are useful as means of reducing friction(it's been used as bullet coatings and camshaft installation lube). Personally, I would tend to believe it would make more sense to apply the product to the bullet rather than the barrel. That way, each shot would reapply the material rather than wear it off.
This stuff may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I have little confidence in the claims. Show me some hard data, done by a lab with no dog in the fight. So far, I haven't seen anything close to that sort of presentation.
Thanks for your time.
Howdy!
If a brush removes the product, as many claim(and I believe), then a bullet will remove it also.
ClayinAR claims this is similar to "case hardening" but I see a major difference, since there is no "coating" created with case hardening, but a chemical change in the outer layer of the treated steel. This can actually extend a few thousandths of an inch BELOW the surface, and is NOT easily removed by a simple brushing.
I've seen similar claims for a variety of products over the last fifty years or so, and most just don't prove to be as revolutionary as they claim.
Years ago, marketers would drain the oil from cars and run them for miles with "NO DAMAGE" to the engine. If all this hype were fact, nothing would ever wear out, and I see no evidence of that being the case.
Moly wear reducers have been around since the sixties and are useful as means of reducing friction(it's been used as bullet coatings and camshaft installation lube). Personally, I would tend to believe it would make more sense to apply the product to the bullet rather than the barrel. That way, each shot would reapply the material rather than wear it off.
This stuff may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I have little confidence in the claims. Show me some hard data, done by a lab with no dog in the fight. So far, I haven't seen anything close to that sort of presentation.
Thanks for your time.
paducahrider
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Misquote??
Howdy!
To ClayinAR:
You said I " kind of misquoted" you, and asked me to read your post again.
I did.
I can see why the oil companies didn't want the process to which you refer to be called "case hardening", because it's NOT case hardening, but rather a form of phosphatizing "for lack of a better word". Case hardening involves the addition of carbon, not phosphorous, into the metal itself.
The fact that this bore coating material can be brushed off just seems to make it unlikely to be anything like the processes (case hardening or phosphatizing) to which you refer, or have as great an impact as some claim.
Sorry if you feel you were misquoted, but, could you be more specific about the item to which you refer?
Thanks for your time.
Howdy!
To ClayinAR:
You said I " kind of misquoted" you, and asked me to read your post again.
I did.
I can see why the oil companies didn't want the process to which you refer to be called "case hardening", because it's NOT case hardening, but rather a form of phosphatizing "for lack of a better word". Case hardening involves the addition of carbon, not phosphorous, into the metal itself.
The fact that this bore coating material can be brushed off just seems to make it unlikely to be anything like the processes (case hardening or phosphatizing) to which you refer, or have as great an impact as some claim.
Sorry if you feel you were misquoted, but, could you be more specific about the item to which you refer?
Thanks for your time.
I`ve no experiance with UBC but I`ve read more then a few reports that it works as advertized. Here are a couple threads from the 24hr campfire gun writers forum on it. The posts by one with the handle "muledeer" are John Barsness himself.
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...ue/First_experience_with_Ultra_Bo#Post3712084
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...oat")/Search/true/ultra_bore_coat#Post3613420
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...ch/true/Ultra_Bore_Coat_Questions#Post3477448
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...ue/First_experience_with_Ultra_Bo#Post3712084
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...oat")/Search/true/ultra_bore_coat#Post3613420
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...ch/true/Ultra_Bore_Coat_Questions#Post3477448
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