Unintended Consequences

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I do however have a copy of Atlas Shrugged. I read the first ~80 pages and then switched over to The Stand. I am not really even sure what Atlas Shrugged is about and I don't know why I bought it, I was just strangly drawn to it and bought it. Could someone please tell me what it is about without giving anything away? I was trying to read it but wasn't sure if the whole thing was just going to be 1000 pages about the problems of a railroad and steel company so I put it down for a while. Mabey that was a mistake...
Without giving anything away:

The entry of the book lays the groundwork for how the world works. Businesses run inside of governmental regulation. The regulation gets more onerous, and the rules for establishing the regulation are preposterous.

Atlas is about a group of people dedicated to allowing Man to advance via his rational mind rather than decline by means of superstitious ignorance.

It's about 300 pages of exposition though... and there's about a 100 page monologue towards the end. Very good reading and excellent existentialist philosophy, but it ain't thrilling in a car-chase-gun-fight kinda way.

Atlas Shrugged contains several vital messages that you may well have a sense of already, but need to hear articulated. These messages resonate strongly with our current struggles to be left alone by the government.

#1) The law descending into a horrible tangled mass of conflicting rules and regulations is no accident. If you read Unintended Consequences, the Henry Bowman character clearly articulates how the (gun) laws are written so that it is literally impossible for some gun owners to bring themselves into compliance with the law, no matter how much they want to or no matter how much they're willing to pay. The protagonist in Atlas Shrugged comes to a similar realization towards the end of the book, when the oppressive socialist government is threatening him with prosecution for violating a number of socialist laws. He despairs to the government agent who's leaning on him that he CAN'T follow the government's law, they've set it up so that the law is so complex that it CAN'T be followed without breaking part of it. And the important message? The government agent gleefully tells him, "Of course!" It's meant to be that way! When EVERYONE is guilty of breaking some law, then the government has a secret control handle on EVERY person in the country. In this situation, they KNOW that if they pick you at random and dig and investigate you, they will find something you've done wrong, innocently, and they can threaten you with prosecution for breaking the law. In this way they can pressure you to testify falsely in a trial, or do anything else they want you to do.
A lot of people think the BATFE, FBI, IRS etc WANT the gun (and tax) laws to be so convoluted so that they'll be able to screw people over like this for their own ends.
That's an important message you won't see taught in any government school.

#2) Atlas Shrugged teaches how the Marxist message "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is a message of tyranny. There's a scene somewhere in the middle of the book where some of the characters encounter an abandoned factory town in the midwest US where the owner and the workers of the factory turned the whole place into a socialist experiment guided by this maxim. I didn't realize until reading Rand's explanation of how logically this message enables tyranny.

After all, who could have a problem with you giving as much to the collective as you're able? Especially if the collective gives you back what you need? Well, this is a recipe for tyranny, because YOU don't get to decide what you need, some government bureaucrat does. And if they decide you only "need" 1300 calories a day, then that's all you get. In a FREE society, the ONLY person who should decide what YOU need is YOU. Whether it's health care, food, guns, or whatever, the only reasonable way is to allow each individual person to decide what he or she NEEDS most, and to allow him or her to spend his own money to purchase the items or services that he or she needs.

I see strong parallels with the Brady bunch and gun-grabbers who spout off slogans like "nobody NEEDS a .50BMG rifle" or "no one NEEDS a semi-auto AK47 clone". Says them! I didn't use to think I "needed" one but like many people, seeing what happened to New Orleans after Katrina changed my mind in a big way. I am the only person who should decide what I need, especially when it comes to the important choice of if and what kind of small arms I want for the defense of my home and family.

Read Unintended Consequences. Read Atlas Shrugged. I was introduced to both of these books within the last 3-4 years and imo they are truly examples of books with critical messages each of us should ponder. After reading these, I understand much better why authoritarian governments try to ban certain literature. Big government advocates would like to keep us all from getting dangerous ideas about our own self-determination from books like these.
 
I am not really even sure what Atlas Shrugged is about and I don't know why I bought it, I was just strangly drawn to it and bought it. Could someone please tell me what it is about without giving anything away? --RansidSumo

A might-have-been "diesel-punk" high tech future (as seen from 1945). Worldwide society is falling apart from pervasive shabbiness and incompetence. Noone knows why. Society is being made to fall apart, deliberately. Who and more importantly why this is happening, is what Atlas Shrugged is about.

"Quien es Juan Galt?"
 
Freehold by Mike Williamson aka "MadMike" on THR

If you enjoy the books mentioned in this thread, you really
ought to pick up a copy of Freehold.. The description
of the society is quite illuminating.. Makes you think long and hard.. :what:

Warning, like Unintended Consequences, Freehold probably
deserves an R rating.. Not bad, but there are a few scenes that are
not for most youngsters.. :scrutiny:

"MadMike" also has parallel novels set in the same space and time frame..
(Small hint: the UN runs Earth and Some of the other Colonized Worlds,
but NOT all.. and yes, the UN is as bad as we would predict.. :eek:)

My copy of Freehold is a floating copy.. It's at my father-in-law's at the
moment.. Have to re-read it when it reappears.. :cool:

-Steve
PS>I read Atlas Shrugged back in High School.. Definitely not enough
life experience to truly understand it at the time.. :rolleyes: (Interesting read, but
not life-changing then..) Re-reading a couple of years ago was a real eye-opener.. :evil:
 
Even though I started this, I'll throw in 2 cents. I really agree with Kentucky (plus I'm a UK grad!). The sex stuff limits where one can push it. I'd love my squaw to read it, but can't suggest it to her because of the sex. I think it should be required reading in every high school, but it would have to be limited to the boys only, at least as far as a requirement. I had my grandson read it, but not till he was a Senior. I sure wouldn't ask my grandaughter to read it. Then again, the sex can't really be left out, as it builds part of the plot and solving issue. I've said that maybeso a revised edition without the sex would be good, but it would loose important aspects. All in and all done, I consider it one of, if not the best books I've read. I promote it regularly--to men.
 
Okay, folks. Confession time: I can't tell you when the sequel will be finished. It's called DETOUR. I had to throw a lot of stuff I'd written out because it didn't fit any longer with real-life events that have happened.

I get the same comments (always from men) about the sex scenes. The only time women readers mention them is to complain that they're weren't enough of them. I am not making that up.

IMO they are necessary to the development of the relevant players. Think about it: Would Cindy Caswell "make sense" to you if I had left out the sexual events that shaped her character? Would the bond between her and Henry be as believable without the similarity of their experiences in this area?

I honestly don't see what the fuss is about. I've got, what? A half dozen fairly short scenes in a book that's over EIGHT HUNDRED pages long?

Moosehead, thanks for the kind words but do you think the women you know are so delicate they can't handle printed words? One young woman came 90 miles to see me at a book signing to tell me she had never read a male author who knew "exactly how women think" until me(!)

She felt I captured women's survival instict perfectly in Cindy. I was flattered.

Read the UC FAQ on my website with comments from Stephen King for more of my thoughts on this.

JR
 
I got my copy of UC when I took a CCW class from John last Fall. Traded him a few books for a copy of the book and my choice of what full-auto gun I wanted to shoot. Loved the Thompson, just wish I could afford one.:D

Slowly working on reading it only because my eyes get tired after working on a computer all day and then coming home to more computer time. Haven't lived in St Louis as long as John, since he's a native, but long enough to remember Goodman's Gun Shop and a few other places he talks about.

Almost forgot, my class was also very surprised when he pulled that 500 mag out of his pants. Just shows it isn't hard to carry almost anything concealed if you just do a bit of thinking. :)
 
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Lots of folk here have read it ... its a fun book.

IIRC John Ross has been known to post here as well.

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HA ... he posted while I was typing this :neener:
 
I don't understand how anyone could read it slowly. I'm not a fast reader, but read it in three nights--granted, only 2 hours sleep those nights--I couldn't put it down!
 
I've read UC at least 5 times. Probably more if you count the times where I just open up to a page and start from wherever. I don't have a problem with the sex scenes, and considering what typical high schoolers are exposed to everyday, I'd recommend it to people high school age and older.
 
I'm w/ Big Matt on that. Though I'd have to say (and you'll see this if you read the thing), the relationship of Cindy Caswell and Henry Bowman is proof John Ross basically went out in fantasyland (about himself) when he created that character.

I do suggest it. I've read it myself 5 times now.
 
I agree on recommending it to highschoolers, but certainly none below their junior year, and certainly not to any girls or women--of any age. I disagree he went to fantasy land. Pretty real world, and it does play very significantly in the plot.
 
I have read it numerous times.

I don't usually spend money on books by authors that I have never heard of. So, I happened to find the book at the local library, and I checked it out and read it. Lucky timing, because the book seems to have a long reserve list ever since.

After I read the book, I bought two copies, one for me and one for a gift to a shooting buddy. Since then, I have bought at least two (maybe 3) more, giving another as a gift and lending out two copies.

Most people that read the book will go out and buy their own copy. It is that good.

Jim M
 
JR, I bought a copy of UC after combing through every entry of Ross in Range. You have a way of writing very convincing stories, convincing enough that I would place a good amount of blame on your writings for my purchase of a S&W 44 mag.

*spoiler alert*

The sex scenes don't bother me, Cindy Caswell's escape was simply delicious. What did throw me however was that out of two rapes that occur in the book, neither seem to have a point. Henry's rescue of the girl in the woods as well as his own attack, I didn't get much info about the characters from either event aside from Bowman's alcoholism. (Which doesn't play much of a role, he sounds like an occasional binge drinker, not a DRUNK drunk) I can't tell you how many times I expected Henry to encounter his attacker(s) later on in the book and exact revenge.

The relationship with Cindy and Henry lacked something. I don't know how else to put it, it just wasn't very genuine.

One thing I have to ask:
I went to my local indoor range, clipped in a target and pressed the switch to send it down range. The motorized device that send my target downrange is a company called "Caswell" is this purely coincidence? Cindy was the first thing I thought of...

Thanks for taking the time to write UC, it's a good work that lays the foundation for what I hope is your Magnum Opus.

Keep a Ross 500 set aside for me, W's stimulus act check is only a few months out!
 
Re: the "tacky" sex scenes and your "women".....any of you guys ever look thru one of them Harlequin romance novels??? The sex in UC was pretty tame compared to them....GET OVER IT and start sharing with the wife/girlfriend/daughters/granddaughters!!!
 
Great book, probably my top favorite. I leant it out to a neighbor in WV a year ago and I think it is about time to get it back for a reread.
 
-sigh-

The reason the girl was raped in the woods and the rapists(all but one of them) were killed is what helped shape Bowman.

He realized some important things from the situation.

1. You can kill and get away with it.
2. Killing bad folks who've earned it don't make you upset.

His rape lead to his interest in self defense and teaching it.

These two points are -vital- to who he later became.
 
read it......Have reread it.....and I dont reread much.

Its one of those books that I have bought for others......and have even "left it" in lobbies and various places with a note saying "Free.....please take home and just read it"........and I dont do that sort of thing.....its that good.
 
I get the same comments (always from men) about the sex scenes
They didn't bother me one bit and considering the events of the book I think it would have been seriously lacking without them. If graphic killing in a book is ok but sex scenes aren't with some people then I don't know what to tell ya.
The book is supposed to be shocking.
I hope the sequel comes out soon, but considering what's going on right now I'll wait so things like the Heller case may weigh in. We may be at a turning point in US history.
 
I have read UC many times. Three copies have gone thru my hands and each one has finally been loaned till it never comes home...... :(
As I am cheap person I decided #4 was not going to happen. But at times I like to read parts again....(hopefully Mr. Ross won't be too unhappy to know I found a online copy)
Please note I will NOT pass it along, I will NOT make copies for anyone. etc. Nor the link. actually I doubt I have it yet.
 
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