Unusual Colt 1911

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I ran across an unusual 1911 at a local dealers today. It is chambered for the .38 spl. mid-range wadcutter. It is a Colt upper which the dealer claims was made in 1968 on a custom frame. I have never seen one like this before has anyone else?
 
Yes. Jim Clark of Shreveport, LA originated the modification of Colt 38 Caliber autoloaders to 38 Special midrange wadcutter. Colt saw the sales and brought out their own version. I have an early 1960s Government Model Colt modified by Clark.
 
How much they asking for it? I have never seen one for sale.
A guy that shoots bullseye at the range I frequant owns one. They pretty neat guns.
 
I saw one for the first time about a year ago. I asked about it and the clerk said it fed both 38 spl and 38 super. :rolleyes: I never knew they made them until I saw this one and I checked into it later. Apparently Colt was trying to break into the market S&W had with the Model 52.
 
The Clark guns are marked on the disconnector track. Somebody posted a really nice write up on James Clark on a recent thread here concerning the 38 Special automatic. He began by modifying Colt Super 38s to shoot 38 Special and Colt began making a gun for 38 AMU caliber which is a rimless 38 Special developed by the Army Marksmanship Unit. If you get a minty Colt 38 AMU be prepared to part with a couple of large, IIRC.

In addition to a different bbl and slide (different breech face and extractor), 38 Super would definitely require a different magazine than the 38 Special. The Special looks like an oversize 22 rimfire magazine with the side button for holding the follower down. Probably also need another ejector (part of the frame). Not saying impossible, but much more than just swapping bbls and blasting away.
 
They were made primarily for competition.
Generally these guns are seriously accurate.

If your looking for a gun to shoot the X ring out of the target, that's the one to get.
If your looking for an interesting gun for CCW or home defense... I'd keep looking.
 
[I ran across an unusual 1911 at a local dealers today. It is chambered for the .38 spl. mid-range wadcutter. It is a Colt upper which the dealer claims was made in 1968 on a custom frame.]

"Custom frame"
Do you mean it is a parts gun with a non-Colt receiver? Better be priced as a shooter and shoot darned well then, unless it has big name gunsmith background. Or a Kit Gun (see below.)

Clark and other gunsmiths converted .38 Supers to .38 Special. Early on, this required bushing and recutting the chamber (.38 Special is smaller than .38 Super); widening the breechface to take the rim, and altering the extractor. The first 1911 integral feed ramps were soldered on by Clark to get better feeding of full wadcutters. The guns were not meant to handle anything else; the magazine well is too short and the actions sprung too soft. Of course the gun was fully accurized for 50 yard target shooting.
It is possible to cut up the lips of a .38 or .45 magazine to where it will feed Specials but they soon got proper magazines made up with the side button like a .22. They also started having new barrels made up instead of altering the Supers. Eventually Colt made kits with proper slides and barrels for the purpose. An unassembled kit gun parts set is worth as much or more than a finished gun.

They are NOT interchangeable .38 Super - .38 Special. Shockey did a few guns which were accurized Supers with the chamber bushed and recut to get the round to headspace on the casemouth like a .45 or a "Nonte" Super barrel. They were set up for light loads only. One was advertised recently and it still had its tag warning to load with 2.7-2.8 gr Bullseye and a 140 grain SWC only. They were as accurate as a Special, and more reliable, but not as convenient because there is no factory match Super ammo and even brass was more expensive.

The later Colt Gold Cup National Match .38 Special is NOT a factory version of the typical gunsmith job. It is a blowback pistol with a slight delay from barrel movement and in Mk III guns, a grooved chamber. The only one I ever saw shot was a pretty little thing and easy to shoot fairly well. I have read that they are not as accurate as a M52 or a Super conversion but we did not really wring this one out. The owner got bored with a five shot wadcutter gun and ruined it by converting it to .45 ACP - the frame is NOT the same and had to be ground down to take a .45 barrel and slide.
 
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