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Ok, but you can't carry one on base. So when you go to the store on base you are disarmed correct?
I know exactly what I am talking about...
Since we are so misguided, you sir, must know the truth. And you accused us of being elitist...many, perhaps almost all of them, are misguided.
Ft. Hood is a freak incident
Then, by all means, feel free to enlighten me, exactly where am I wrong?JoeSlomo said:Sir, you could NOT be any more clueless if you tried.
The best of luck to you and yours.
Again. You put words into my mouth. I didn't call anyone stupid, but it seems you are bound and determined to make people think you are.mljdeckard said:ChaoSS-
So we're just ......stupid. Good to know that you think some of us aren't warmongers and psychos.
I do think am I right. I am not, however, attempting to suggest that only people with my views should have special privileges.Shadow Man said:Since we are so misguided, you sir, must know the truth. And you accused us of being elitist...
I have been civil. Perhaps some of you should try the same.
Do you feel that stating that I believe you are misguided is an attack on your intelligence and mental state? I believe you are wrong, and that is not the same as calling you stupid. It is unfortunate that people can get so emotionally involved in a subject that a differing opinion is seen as a personal attack.Shadow Man said:And if you think that attacking my intelligence and mental state is civil, may I civily suggest that you purchase the book called "Merriam Webster's Dictionary" and familiarize yourself with the term "civil"?
The Nazis also reversed bad gun control laws, giving people access to guns. What's your point?longdayjake said:When you label an entire group of people its called predjudice, stereo-typing, judgemental, and here in Idaho we call it "jus' plain ignorant." Nothing could be farther from civility. In fact, I believe the nazis did the same thing to a particular group of people.
Far from it. If you don't know the difference between misguided and stupid, then I suggest you find yourself a dictionary. Intelligent people are misguided on many issues on a regular basis. If you don't understand that fact, look around these forums. People are wrong about a great number of things, doesn't mean they are stupid.mljdeckard said:No, I used the correct terminology for what you were trying to say without looking like an ass.
Don't P*** down my back and tell me it's raining.
I am not taking an Elitist veiw as you like to call it. I am concerned for my life and my familys lives. I do not think that I am more special than any other military memebers, and you saying that shows that you are just trying to ruffle feathers. Also, as a military member, (or police officer), you go through training with a weapon. (I am not saying that (as a lot of people have been saying on here) "regular people" don't). But, as a service member I do have experiance in combat and I do have experiance actually having to fire in the direction towards someone else. Therefore if something were to happen and you have a "regular person" who goes to the range every once in awhile fires 200-400 rounds out of his/her gun, who thinks they are ready to take a life, gets backed into a corner, pulls their gun and then finds themselves not able to shoot. Same thing happens to a service member who (even if they have not been deployed) get into the same situation, IMHO they would be much more willing to shoot because we have been trained that way. Thats just my opinion.Follow ORM this is not anything new.
As a member of the Active Duty Military you should be ashamed of yourself for such an elitist view no one occupation over the other should have more of a right to defend themselves than the other. You took an oath to the Constitution as have I. You are not being paranoid only what makes you think you are more special than the 100s of thousands of other military members on American soil and then what makes you think the .Gov should have more rights than the civilians we are sworn to protect
Yeah, I was just trying to find a link about the Little Rock shooting and thats what I found. I had no clue about the background of the link. Sorry.You lost me at the link to the southern poverty law center. My BS meter went to maximum overload. Sorry.
mcschrader said:I am not taking an Elitist veiw as you like to call it. I am concerned for my life and my familys lives. I do not think that I am more special than any other military memebers, and you saying that shows that you are just trying to ruffle feathers. Also, as a military member, (or police officer), you go through training with a weapon. (I am not saying that (as a lot of people have been saying on here) "regular people" don't). But, as a service member I do have experiance in combat and I do have experiance actually having to fire in the direction towards someone else. Therefore if something were to happen and you have a "regular person" who goes to the range every once in awhile fires 200-400 rounds out of his/her gun, who thinks they are ready to take a life, gets backed into a corner, pulls their gun and then finds themselves not able to shoot. Same thing happens to a service member who (even if they have not been deployed) get into the same situation, IMHO they would be much more willing to shoot because we have been trained that way. Thats just my opinion.
Yes, I think you are poorly informed. That is not the same thing as stupid. If you can't see the difference between wrong and stupid, then you have a problem. If that's the case, then you are calling me stupid. If there is no difference between wrong and stupid, then we should look at the debates between, say, AKs and ARs, and label everyone on one side as stupid. The same goes for the debate between semi automatic handguns and revolvers. One side is stupid, by your reasoning.Shadow Man said:Saying I'm misguided leads me to believe that you think I'm poorly informed about a subject, and have come to the wrong conclusion, thus I need to be eudcated as to what the reality is. That, sir, is an attack upon my intelligence.
I don't know you. I don't know if you believe that those who are dying in this war deserve to die (those on the other side, obviously). If you believe that they do, then yes, you are misguided, but not psychopathic. (that's the word I used, I believe, not psychotic)Saying that I am psychotic is suggesting that I mentally unstable, and mentally unstable people need some form of counseling, therapy, or medication to get them back into the right mental state. So that would be an attack upon my mental state.
And that is what is known as ignorance.And the only people the Nazi's gave weapons to were those who toed the party line. AKA, giving people with their views special priveliges.
If you kill someone who you think does not deserve to die, then yes, you have a problem. Call it being a drone, call it psychopathic, I don't care, it's a problem.By saying that some soldiers kill without thinking that the people they are killing need to be killed is suggesting that they are mindless drones. And while I am sure there are mindless drones in the service, I have yet to encounter any.
I am in a support role. My support role is riding around Afghanistan in supply convoys. I am not saying we are better trained with weapons, I am saying that we are more experianced with looking at a human being as a target WHEN THREATEND. (Do not quote my post without the when threatend.)This makes our point, you are being elitist in suggesting that the military is better able to handle weapons. Your first post suggests that you are not really in a combat role, yet you think that you are better able to kill than Joe American.
Yes, I think you are poorly informed. That is not the same thing as stupid. If you can't see the difference between wrong and stupid, then you have a problem. If that's the case, then you are calling me stupid. If there is no difference between wrong and stupid, then we should look at the debates between, say, AKs and ARs, and label everyone on one side as stupid. The same goes for the debate between semi automatic handguns and revolvers. One side is stupid, by your reasoning.
I don't know you. I don't know if you believe that those who are dying in this war deserve to die (those on the other side, obviously). If you believe that they do, then yes, you are misguided, but not psychopathic. (that's the word I used, I believe, not psychotic)
And that is what is known as ignorance.
If you kill someone who you think does not deserve to die, then yes, you have a problem. Call it being a drone, call it psychopathic, I don't care, it's a problem.
:edit: I posted this before seeing the post from HSO, my apologies if I shouldn't have posted it.
The Nazis also reversed bad gun control laws, giving people access to guns.
I'd like to thank the violent one for his amusing story of how he gets paid to beat military personnel into submission.