Versa thunder .380 fired while locked.help

[JUNKTOTREASURE]

Verdsa thunder .380 was locked with key as my nephew was showing his friend, who has a child, that this would be a good gun for him to have that could be lock and made safe. HE PLACE HIS FINGER ON THE TRIGGER SHOWING IF COULDN'T BE FIRED WHEN IT FIRED SHOTTING HOLE IN CHAIR!!!!!!!! Does anyone know of any possible reasons for this to have happened

 

[bill in IN]

Safeties are mechanical devices and will fail.

 

[MICHAEL T]

HE PLACE HIS FINGER ON THE TRIGGER SHOWING IF COULDN'T BE FIRED WHEN IT FIRED SHOTTING HOLE IN CHAIR

No gun fired when he pulled the trigger He fired not Bersa

Treat all guns if loaded !!!!!!!!:banghead: Locks aren't fool proof.:banghead: He might have thought locked and wasn't .
Bersa has a Key lock I have never heard of one not working. Majority of owners make sure lock is turned off and throw away the key. They also have a Mag safety remove mag and pistol won't fire I don't trust either one 100% I clear my pistol and make sure its unloaded before showing or explaining something to some one.
Your nephew needs a course in safe gun handling No matter what brand of pistol he has he went against the rules of safe gun handling and could have got some one killed.
He could sent it in to a warranty center to be looked at .

 

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

uuumm Bersa?? shooting a hole?

 

[Hawk]

Well, you didn't ask for any lectures on firearms handling but I suspect you'll get a few anyway. As to your actual question...

The manual isn't particularly helpful but it's unclear if it would function if engaged with the firearm already cocked for single action.

Reported instances of the engaged lock permitting the piece to fire are rare - at least rare enough I haven't heard of any. But then I don't suspect that function checking the lock is a common practice. Conducting such experiments with live rounds is no doubt even less common.

With no real basis for conjecture based on the reports of others your best bet is likely to take it to a gunsmith for forensics. Or just send it to Bersa's importer as defective.

I'll admit to some curiosity on how it shakes out.

 

[MICHAEL T]

Or just send it to Bersa's importer as defective.

Lock can not be engaged if cocked Has to be hammer down in DA mode as it also locks the slide as well as the trigger so can't be cycled .

You never send to the importer They plainly state on their web site not to do so. You sent to a warranty center They are listed on the website.
Or contact me at
http://bersatalk.com/forum/index.php
and I will give you our warranty center information . In the almost 5 years I have had BersaTalk have never heard of this problem . Either on old board or the new one

 

[Snowdog]

Next time buy name brand and not some knockoff spelled slightly differently.

Kidding!

The key lock on my Bersa (UC9 Pro) works as designed and it's pretty straight forward. The Bersa you're talking about might be defective. I've had pistols that had non-functioning safeties, such as a Witness Compact that would fire on safe and a Auto Ordnance M1 Carbine that would do the same thing (both factory repaired free of charge). Bersa makes very decent firearms.

 

[kanook]

Does anyone know of any possible reasons for this to have happened

He was fooling around with a loaded gun, that's how it happened. Next time DON'T HAND SOMEONE A LOADED FIREARM.

 

[bang_bang]

DON'T HAND SOMEONE A LOADED FIREARM.

+1

Clear and double check every firearm when letting someone, especially a child, hold it. Doesn't matter if it's "locked" or not, the locks on those Bersas aren't much more than a little steel wire that fits into a slot.

 

[Jeff82]

:banghead:

 

[1911austin]

HE PLACE HIS FINGER ON THE TRIGGER SHOWING IF COULDN'T BE FIRED WHEN IT FIRED SHOTTING HOLE IN CHAIR!!!!!!!! Does anyone know of any possible reasons for this to have happened

Yea, I do. Dumb people should not handle firearms.

 

[NG VI]

In the future your nephew should probably not try to demonstrate a firearm's safety systems while it is loaded, in a house.

 

[ricebasher302]

No mechanical devise can or should be trusted to prevent an accident. Your nephew needs a lesson in firearms safety, but I'm not entirely convinced that it should come from you. the carrying of a loaded firearm by a competent individual is fine, but allowing someone else of any experience level to handle the firearm in that state is irresponsible. You're lucky nobody was shot. Even if the lock did fail, it should be the least of your concerns. Count your blessings and make it a learning experience.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

This is exactly why gun rights groups are against mandatory mechanical locks, magazine safeties and other devices. People think they're a substitute for proper gun safety (i.e., between your ears).

 

[bdb benzino]

Something tells me that may be the OP's last post.

 

[c919]

I hate to say this, but it sounds like your nephew, yourself, and anyone else in that room need to sign up for a basic safety course. I do not mean that in a rude way. It's a good way to learn the basics.

This would have never happened if proper training had occurred. Please seek out the training necessary to become a responsible gun owner. It is the right thing to do.

I hope that all involved do not give up firearms entirely, but quite the opposite. Learn more... starting with safety.

 

[JUNKTOTREASURE]

Thanks for the many responces but to clear up a few things I WAS NOT AT HIS HOUSE WHEN THIS HAPPENED IT HAPPENED AT HIS HOUSE NOT MINE! He called me asking me to see if I could find out if this was an issue with the model gun. As for myself i carry a GLOCK 23, or my SMITH&WESSON AIRWEIGHT 38. I was hoping for comments on his safety issues I am sorry I didn't make it clear that I was not present or in approval of his gun handling!
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[gyvel]

Isn't there an old warning about: "Never test a safety by pulling on the trigger?"

 

[gbelleh]

To answer your question, it seems simple. 1. he probably didn't have the lock engaged or 2. the lock failed. Either way, he had a negligent discharge caused by pulling the trigger of a loaded gun. He (and his friend) hopefully learned that these devices can't be trusted in lieu of safe gun handling (especially to protect the safety of a child). Guns need to be properly stored in a safe.

 

[MICHAEL T]

Guns need to be properly stored in a safe.

No all of them. You might need one in a hurry if your front door flys open Safe ain't going to work Pistol on hip is safer I never have all my firearms in a safe

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

And what lesson (if anything could have possibly been gained by stressing out a mechanical safety) was the OP's nephew trying to teach that couldn't have been taught on an empty chamber?

 

[zombienerd]

I'm betting that the hammer was back and had one in the chamber before he engaged the key-lock...

The lock safety will not properly engage unless the weapon is hammer-down.

I've never used the key lock on mine other than to test it after I took it out of the box for the first time, but even I knew that if I were to lock it, it should be locked from an empty chamber, hammer down, safety/decocker on.

I carry my Thunder 380 every day when I'm at home, one in the chamber with the safety/decocker engaged. I have never felt unsafe with this weapon. I trust it with my life.

 

[bikerdoc]

Junk to treasure,

Welcome to THR.

My opinion, It could not happen as stated.

 

[gbelleh]

No all of them. You might need one in a hurry if your front door flys open Safe ain't going to work Pistol on hip is safer I never have all my firearms in a safe

I agree. I specifically meant if you want to keep a child away from it when it's stored unattended.