View from the air of "massive" uprising

[Thumper]

I've felt for several years now that there are several Glocktalk, TFL and THR members that have Tamara posters on their walls.

My favorite (Thanks Oleg):

http://www.olegvolk.net/olegv/newsite/knoxville/tam-M4_s.jpg

 

[Lebe]

another good read

...about "The Lonely Superpower",... for those of you who care to look beyond your 27" screen for some insight into the world around you.

,.. a bit lengthy,... but an ordinary reader can digest it in less time than it takes to watch an episode of Jerry Springer,..

http://www.ub.edu.ar/facultades/feg/lonely_superpower.htm

 

[Tamara]

Gosh, Lebe...

Thanks!

Not a soul on this site gets any news on the world other than what we read here or see on FOX or Jerry Springer...

In return, may I direct you to www.getoffthecrossbecauseotherkidsneedthewood.com

 

[Lebe]

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lol, Tamara,.. I can only go by what I read from others on here,... and the bland, statist, television inspired responses that I've been getting in this thread have been a bit of an eye opener to someone like myself,.. a relative newbie on a forum which hails itself as being "The High Road"

I could have found such remarks on ak47.net.

 

[John G]

It is an honor to be in the presence of my intellectual superior.

 

[JohnBT]

Lebe said..."People support a war like this for it's entertainment value. It's just a great big mini series to them."

This is what passes for thinking where you live? Maybe your friends and relatives are that shallow, but not the people I know. I take your statement to be intended as a personal insult. What other gun boards do you troll on?

John

 

[Lebe]

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Not an insult,... simply an observation. If people hadn't been repeatedly spoon fed "fire and brimstone" about Iraq, they'd never give the place a second thought.

Tell me,... 3 years ago did you drift off to sleep at night worrying about Iraq,... and wondering when someone was going to step up and do something about it?

The government and the media could have just as well selected Abu Dhabi,.. or Lower Slobbovia,... or Trinidad and Tobago,.. gone to work filling the peoples head with garbage about them and the people would have hopped right up on the "Let's go to war" bandwagon. In todays social climate, the feds have no trouble steering the people in any direction that they want. All it takes is a bit of talk about security,.. a couple of "rah rah" speeches which appeal to the peoples nationalistic pride, and the government has the populace in the palm of their hand. Once you learn to recognize them, the methods are flagrantly obvious and quite predictable.

As we speak, the administration is sending out feelers about Syria,.. testing the waters,.. attempting to find if support can be generated for an invasion.

It's interesting to watch.

 

[MeekandMild]

3 years ago did you drift off to sleep at night worrying about Iraq,... and wondering when someone was going to step up and do something about it?

I wondered and worried about Iraq since the late 70's after Carter so thoroughly screwed up our entire mideast foreign policy in search of his Nobel prize. Didn't lose any sleep about it, though.

This war could have been avoided if Clinton had agreed to arm the Kurds, just as the Yugoslavian thing could have been avoided if Clinton hadn't embargoed the good guys.

At the risk of sounding insulting, do you ever read anything else?

 

[Drjones]

Not an insult,... simply an observation. If people hadn't been repeatedly spoon fed "fire and brimstone" about Iraq, they'd never give the place a second thought.

Tell me,... 3 years ago did you drift off to sleep at night worrying about Iraq,... and wondering when someone was going to step up and do something about it?

No. You are correct: 3 years ago the average American didn't worry about Iraq.

Just like 3 years ago we didn't worry about terrorists hijacking 4 commercial American airliners and crashing them into buildings, thus murdering 3,000 American citizens.

So because Iraq hasn't been a constant threat to America throughout history, they can't possibly be a threat to us today?

Nice logic.

The government and the media could have just as well selected Abu Dhabi,.. or Lower Slobbovia,... or Trinidad and Tobago,.. gone to work filling the peoples head with garbage about them and the people would have hopped right up on the "Let's go to war" bandwagon.

Please tell me where you get your hallowed information.

From what oracle of wisdom do you obtain these pearls of wisdom?

What magical, mythical, unbiased, omniscient soothsayer do you visit?

Or perhaps the lord just speaks to you directly?

 

[OF]

Lebe,

You have, IMO, crossed the line. You have repeatedly made insulting statements aimed at the membership here. If we, the people you are debating with, are nothing but the vacuous doe-eyed morons you insist we are, then why are you wasting your time with us?

There is only one person in this thread that shows every indicator of indocrination. And he doth protest too much.

- Gabe

 

[Lebe]

lol

Golly, GRD,... ya ain't gonna tune up and cry, are ya?

 

[John G]

Lebe, that is uncalled for.

 

[Ebbtide]

lebe, thanks for the amusing banter, see you elsewhere.

 

[Lebe]

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MeekandMild,... while you're passing around blame for the situation in Iraq, don't forget to include the American companies which supplied Iraq with chemical and biological weaponry during Iraq's war with Iran. As usual,.. I'll provide you with documentation from various sources which asserts this claim. In fact, even the mainstream media occasionally touched upon that fact for a minute or two when nobody was paying attention.

By the way, most of it occurred during Bush seniors watch.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-09-30-iraq-ushelp_x.htm

http://www.photius.com/rogue_nations/biological_us_supplied.html

http://www.shalomctr.org/html/peace147.html

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/03/119547.php

If you want to read more about it, you can get dozens of sources simply by doing a word search. Of course,.. it's all probably just one of them dumb old conspiracy theories. I mean,.. if it wasn't, Bill O'Reilly would be having a fit about it, now wouldn't he?

 

[Don Gwinn]

Dude, you've got to be kidding. That's a photo from before the statue was pulled down, and you can already see people all around the plaza who may or may not be walking or running into the plaza.

To believe the claims of the article, you've got to take the evidence and twist it by assuming those people are walking away and there are no others coming. No serious person would do that without real evidence.

And again, if you think the BBC and CNN were faking events to drum up support for the war, I would suggest that your perspective on the media may be limited. We now know that CNN, by its own admission, has spent years telling lies that protected the Ba'aths and the Husseins.

 

[Lebe]

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Can't say that I've heard any of those lies perpetrated by CNN, Don. That isn't to say that I discount the probability that CNN lies, of course. CNN, like all other mainstream media outlets, will lie whenever they feel the need to shift public opinion in the direction that they desire,.. but again, I can't recall hearing any of their lies about the Ba'ath party.

What were they?

Can you provide me with some good links which document such? I'd be very happy to see an admission of lying by CNN or any other mainstream media outlet.

 

[Drjones]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/o...00&en=ea21e8c88feae21c&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE


http://www.wnyc.org/onthemedia/transcripts_102502_jordan.html

 

[John G]

Here's a link to the CNN story, its by Eason Jordan, an executive at CNN: The news they didn't report

 

[Lebe]

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Thanks,..

 

[Tamara]

That'll be quite enough mudslinging for one thread.

Lebe, have you checked your PM's since midnight?