Virginia: "School Systems Debating New State Gun Law"

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School Systems Debating New State Gun Law

By Kelly Cupp
and Hillary Copsey
The Winchester Star

Area school systems could be in violation of a Virginia law that allows students to bring an unloaded rifle or shotgun to school as long as it’s kept in a locked vehicle trunk.

According to an amendment to the state code section dealing with prohibiting firearms in schools, a person who possesses an unloaded firearm in a closed container, which includes a locked vehicle trunk, is exempt from the prohibition.

The inclusion of a locked vehicle trunk was added to the state code by the General Assembly this year and took effect July 1, said Charles Pyle, director of communications for the Virginia Department of Education.

Pyle said local school board policies are supposed to correspond to state code.

“They have to follow the law,†he said.

If a local school board does not align policies with the state, the potential exists for someone to challenge the local policy, Pyle said.

Winchester Public Schools’ policy prohibits anyone bringing firearms onto school property without prior permission.

George Craig, coordinator of curriculum and instruction for Winchester Public Schools, said when the state changes law, city schools usually follow suit.

“We usually don’t go against a state law.â€

He said the school system will have to review their policy to determine if they are in compliance.

“It is something we’re going to have to put in front of the School Board,†Craig said.

However, he said, the board will probably seek legal counsel on the issue.

“It looks like one of these things we’ll have to send to our attorney.â€

William C. Dean, superintendent of Frederick County Public Schools, said his administration has talked about the change internally.

He said they decided they would recommend no change from the current policy, which completely prohibits firearms on school property.

“Our greatest concern is the well-being and safety of those [children] sent to us,†Dean said.

In today’s society, he said, the school system can’t allow weapons on school premises, even in locked vehicle trunks.

He said the current policy will remain in place until the School Board asks for a change or a review of the policy.

Frederick County School Board Chairman Stuart Wolk said the board isn’t in the practice of going against state law, but he questions the wisdom of a law that allows weapons on school property.

“It’s not something for the betterment of the school setting.â€

Wolk said the School Board would probably talk to legal counsel and discuss whether the members want to change current school policy.

“It’s a complete about-face from everything we do.â€

Clarke County Public Schools plans to keep its no-gun policy intact.

The School Board recently amended its policy, in accordance with state code, to include air rifles as dangerous weapons.

“We continue to believe that students have a right to be safe in school,†said Superintendent Eleanor F. Smalley.

State code gives school boards the right to enact policy to protect students. The amendment only removes the right of the state to prosecute a student for having a weapon in a locked trunk, Smalley said.

Even though that student cannot be arrested or prosecuted, Smalley said, Clarke County still will expel them.

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"We normally don't go against state law"

And

"We'll have to consult our attorney"

Utter flatulence.

May I point everyone to my TFL thread about old-time "Guns in School" (when it was considered normal to bring your gun to school)?

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=62602&highlight=Guns+in+school+stories


cuchulainn, please forward this to the writer of the story.

As well, can we find the e-mail addresses of the legislators (who are taking heat on this law) as well as the school, the school board, etc?

Rick
 
Winchester is mostly a rural, good-ole-boy kinda place and gun-friendly. But it seems that the local educators have caught the nanny-state virus from nearby DC. For heaven's sake, who cares about this? Are gun-ban laws at schools going to really prevent a criminal from bringing one in?
 
For heaven's sake, who cares about this? Are gun-ban laws at schools going to really prevent a criminal from bringing one in?
Partisan Ranger: How can you be so utterly blind? We need these laws to keep our children safe! Of course criminals will obey gun-ban laws! They're laws after all! Everyone obeys laws! People who don't obey laws are...are...criminals! Why would someone who only wanted to peacefully go into a school and kill several people want to break a law in the process? They might get in trouble!

This is typical feel-good blissninny dimwittery. Don't try to understand it. It'll only dull your intellect.

-BP
 
I'm sure the wise fathers at the local school board would soil themselves if they knew that I let my 7 year-old son handle my 9mm (in my presence only of course, after showing him how to make the gun safe). I've told him he can handle my guns anytime he wants, in my presence only.

Funny how he's lost the fascination with Dad's guns after being properly exposed to them.:)


Let me add, I would feel safer with my kid at school if each wing of the building had a riot shotgun under lock and key if the SHTF.
 
“Our greatest concern is the well-being and safety of those [children] sent to us,†Dean said.
“We continue to believe that students have a right to be safe in school,†said Superintendent Eleanor F. Smalley.

Let's see: In an off-hand scenario, there were children behind a virtual fence at each of thousands of schools. There were predators of all kinds outside these fences - but rarely did a predator gain entry.

However, a few predators did make inroads and did harm some children. To provide greater security (safety) for the millions of children remaining and to come, the fence has been removed from all schools.

This fence is the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. With full support - without dilution - this fence can (and probably would) allow children a better defense than they currently have. Without support, school campuses everywhere are intensively "open season" opportunities waiting to happen.

My 2 sense.

-Andy
 
"Of course criminals will obey gun-ban laws! They're laws after all! Everyone obeys laws!"

My, yes! This has worked so wonderfully well in D.C., NYC, Chicago, Ma., Columbine, etc. Yes, this is wonderful.
Really wonderfully well in other countries, too. There aren't any shootings in Great Britan, because it's nearly illegal for a commoner to own a gun. It has in Australia, which has so little crime, that the government has announced that it's subject don't need guns.
Then there's my home state, which has innumberal laws about what sort of gun a private citizen may own, what 'safety' features it must have, what tests each design must go thru for us to be safe from those nasty guns just up and firing at liddle children all on their own...my, my, my...so wonderful.
 
Teachers that qualify as experts should be able to carry concealed at school. It would make those "school shootings" much more difficult to pull off. It's not so much fun when people shoot back.
 
I was under the impression that the recently passed Virginia preemption statute forbids school districts from enacting any more stringent firearms rules than those provided in state law. VCDL is going "round harassing various petty tyrants like airport authorities and certain town/city councils that feel they're above the law, and they're winning each of their chosen battles. What about schools?

TC
TFL Survivor
 
Leatherneck, I too...

would like to see VCDL take on the school monolith re CCW/open carry by lawful citizens (as we've been doing in other arenas).

But the fight has been joined and is ongoing for the restaurant ban demise and other arenas where previous work has gained some advantages for success. Taking on the school world would be a start from scratch effort.

Additionally, while VCDL has grown some (membership) there is but a nucleus actually working the trenches. Philip Van Cleave ( [email protected] ) is, in my opinion, our lead Tiger in relating to lawmakers and those public servants in management positions. There are a few other Tigers for sure, but too few, I fear.

Now if we had a cadre of Tigers, they could be grouped to the target (school carry, recalcitrant public property managers, etc.). Trouble is, it takes a certain personality, a penchant for discussion, tact - and of course - time.

BTW... the same could be said for those here at THR hoping for an organized national effort.

(Some editing done)

-Andy
 
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