Virginia State Delegate has an ND in his Office (merged threads)

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CCW007,

I am always somewhat bemused by the self-righteousness that comes out whenever a story appears about negligent discharges. Okay, so in your mind, you are incapable of being responsible for an ND because you are an "anal gun-safety Nazi." Fine. Assuming you drive, though -- have you ever in your life done something stupid while behind the wheel of a 3000-pound killing machine? No. I thought not. How 'bout when lighting a barbeque grill? Or fixing your kitchen sink garbage disposal, or trouble-shooting an electrical circuit in your house? Thing is, most of us, as you say, are human and capable of mistakes.

Many NDs with folks who've been well-trained and are entirely comfortable around firearms. Military and law enforcement NDs occur regularly. Are all these folks "morons?" No. Ten years ago, I had an ND, in my bedroom, with a pistol I thought unloaded -- I didn't check the chamber. Am I a moron? No. Was I stupidly negligent? Yes. But at the time, I was carrying a firearm daily on duty, had had some of the best military firearms training and gone through some excellent civilian law enforcement training, plus had been around firearms for over thirty years and shooting 'em for twenty.

Will everyone who's never had an ND eventually have one? No, of course not. But many will, in spite of all they've learned about gun safety, and in spite of all their experience and training. Regrettable, avoidable, but fact.
 
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Sorry about the dup I did a quick search and did not see that one. Mods feel free to close this one

He may be a respected lawmaker, but that is no excuses for a ND. I respect him for being honest about his mistake, but the fact is someone needs to tell him the trigger is not the correct button to press when removing his magazine. I am afraid this may come back to haunt the people in VA as well as others in the country and that is the root of my annoyance. He may have done some good deeds for gun owners, but this could do more harm then he could ever repair. I have little sympathy for him or anyone that discharges their gun from an act of negligence. This may sound harsh, but in this case it was a stupid mistake. I am an anal safety Nazi when comes to firearms, I get it from my Dad. However, neither of us has ever accidentally fired our gun. People are human and accidents will happen, but there is no room for negligence when caring a firearm.
Yep, summary execution is called for. Nothing less will prevent another incident. Better yet, let's draw and quarter him. Jeesh.

Man made a mistake, nobody was hurt, AND he learned something from it. Perhaps a lot of other folks (including the other legislators who carry) learned something as well. Not good but not as bad as it could have been.

Personally, I'm a little tired of what seems to be pervasive zero tolerance for error. This is what has led to the criminalization of everything and the arrests of 6-year olds for behavior that should get them a spanking at most.
 
Luckily no one was hurt here that is the important thing. However, having zero tolerance of ND's may not be the best stance, but to say accidents happen no big deal is not right either. My stance may change if I have a ND, and I cannot say I will never have one because I am not perfect. I can say I have never come close to having one. I do feel that if you follow every safety rule to the letter the chance of have a ND is almost nonexistent.

If this had been "John Q Public" I would be willing to bet he would be facing charges. Since is was not John Q Public we have no way of knowing. It will be interesting to see if he gets charged with something or is he exempt from prosecution?

Now using the Automobile as an example. If you do something negligent there are charges you face for that and the same for discharging a firearm in a wreak less manner. As far as me doing something stupid in a car well... lets just say my wife tells me I am an old fart driver :D. I cannot recall ever doing anything stupid, but who knows.. If I did, no one got hurt. I was never much for goofing off with a car in my teen years because of auto accidents I seen when I volunteered at the fire dept.

I will say when it comes to my ex-wife boy was I negligent when I married her. :neener:
 
I always pontificate: "There is no such thing as a gun accident." It implies that an ND is always a choice, out of laziness, stupidity, carelessness or ignorance.




I have only had a couple of ND's...:eek:
 
It wasn't good luck that no one was hurt.

No one was hurt because he was following the Four Cardinal Rules.

Yeah, people goof. But when they goof while following the safety rules, no one gets hurt.

That's why there are four interlocking safety rules, and not just one catch-all. Because people goof.

pax
 
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