Shear_stress
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Correlation =/= causation.
VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, “More guns means more gun death and injury. Fewer guns means less gun death and injury. It’s a simple equation
ArmedBear:
Also...
Say a guy breaks into a house with a baseball bat at 3AM and beats a family of four to death.
Zero "gun deaths". Four dead innocents. Murderer lives to kill again. VPC counts this as "good", with no gun deaths.
Say the same guy breaks into a house and the homeowner kills him with a load of buckshot.
One "gun death". No dead innocent people. Murderer won't be murdering any more. VPC counts this as "bad", with one gun death.
"Gun death" means nothing, by itself.
These stats include any person killed with a gun, including those shot by police, armed citizens in justifiable self-defence shootings, suicides, and gang on gang violence. Plus they do not show the overall murder rate per state, just those people killed by a firearm.
I was trying to distinguish an accidental gun death (where, but for the gun, the death would not have happened)
Tomatoes used to be thought of as deadly. The fcats bear this out, just look att he statistics. Almost every person who ate tomatoes between 1809 and 1909 is now dead.
Suicide also has a very high rate of method replacement. That is, if you cannot get a gun to blow your head off, you walk out to the bridge and take a leap instead. So, including suicide statistics in "gun deaths" is doubly disengenuous.I bet the suicide rate is what vastly skews these numbers, if they are in fact genuine.
Suicide also has a very high rate of method replacement. That is, if you cannot get a gun to blow your head off, you walk out to the bridge and take a leap instead. So, including suicide statistics in "gun deaths" is doubly disengenuous.
Louisiana: (Pop 4,410,796)=882 Gun Deaths
Here is my parallel version of the report:
When I went through my divorce, I sold several of my guns. So...buying more guns would have kept me married longer.