kermit315
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Same here, and even if they wanted to swipe it, I would tell them exactly where to stick it.
Walmart and Guns
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Same here, and even if they wanted to swipe it, I would tell them exactly where to stick it.
Bruce333
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I've never been carded at a Wal-Mart.
Good luck to 'em trying to swipe the new NC DL in a credit card reader. It's a 2D barcode, not a magnetic strip, and it's encrypted. Barcode readers for the 2D barcode are still rather expensive, and the regular UPC barcode reader won't recognize the 2D code.
Good luck to 'em trying to swipe the new NC DL in a credit card reader. It's a 2D barcode, not a magnetic strip, and it's encrypted. Barcode readers for the 2D barcode are still rather expensive, and the regular UPC barcode reader won't recognize the 2D code.
The Lone Haranguer
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I've never been "carded" for ammo purchases at Wal-Mart, and in fact just bought some yesterday. I do sometimes get carded for alcohol, but much less frequently in recent months. They do sometimes "swipe" my driver's license (which has a credit-card-like magnetic strip), other times just ask to see it, if they do it at all. I was assured that all the reader looks for is date of birth, and this is all I see come up on the screen.
If there is such a policy of making everyone show ID, no exceptions, it is not universally or consistently followed, even between cashiers in a single store.
If there is such a policy of making everyone show ID, no exceptions, it is not universally or consistently followed, even between cashiers in a single store.
jakk280rem
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not ammo related or an attempt at thread jacking, but a couple months ago i was at a wm and purchased three gun mags 2000 rnds 22, 2 boxes of 38's, and 2 boxes of 357's and all the clerk had to say was "guns are bad".
03Shadowbob
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Didn't have to show ID last night for my ammo. I did have to pay $13 for a brick of Remington .22. At Gander Mountain, they are asking $22 or $23 for a brick so I'll continue to get it at Walmart.
Deanimator
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Because on those rare occasions when I need ammunition for which I don't reload, I don't want to drive an hour and pay twice as much... if the gunstore is even open after I get off from work. Here in NE Ohio, my only reasonably close alternative to Walmart is Dick's Sporting Goods, who have even WORSE service than Walmart, and usually higher prices. THEY only sell "crappy guns" too and bought out a GOOD chain, Galyan's.
NO corporation "cares" about you. They care about your patronage and your money. Are you therefore going to disconnect all of your utilities because they're run by large, unfeeling corporations?
velobard
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That could explain why the only time I get asked that question is when I check out at the front of the store instead of the sporting goods department. I'm obviously over 21 and the folks in the SG dept would just bypass that question since they know why it's asking.
My local Walmart doesn't sell any guns, but to be honest I can understand why because of the neighborhood immediately behind the store. There are other Walmarts within several miles where I could by them if I wished, but I've never bought a gun from them.
Just as a price comparison on ammo, at Walmart the 9mm WWB is currently $18.42, at a favorite gun shop with an indoor range it's $21.10 (up from $20 even a few weeks ago), and at Cabela's it's $23.99.
As for shopping at Walmart or not, I've gone to Walmart ever since I was a little grasshopper and their store in my dad's hometown was a modest building tucked behind the grocery store in a small town in the Ozarks. Regardless of where I shop I try to be concious of trying to buy American-made items when possible, preferably from an American-owned company. Our economy needs all the help it can get right now. It is sad to remember the signs that Walmart used to hang in the store touting American made goods and now they don't even try anymore. I have no doubts that Sam Walton would be dismayed at some of the directions his company has taken.
Sato Ord
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By the logic you present I get the impression that I should just suck it up and shop at a store I am unhappy with. I have stopped shopping at wal-mart completely. I can buy everything they sell by shopping on line, and get a better selection. If the money is going to go out of town to some corporation I can see no reason to support Sam Walton's widow's high lifestyle.
Sam Walton would turn over in his grave if he could see what has been done to the service oriented chain of stores he personally built.
Remember when Wal-mart used to have big wide isles and the people who worked their were friendly and had a good general knowledge of their products?
Now, they may still have a good general knowledge of their products, but over half of them barely speak any English at all around here. You ask for help and they smile and shake their heads and say no-habla, and go back to their mops and buckets. The only ones who do speak English work at the service desk and the cash registers, and they are surly beyond belief. They are more interested in their conversations with the next cashier over, and are annoyed with interruption of having to do their jobs.
Remember when Wal-mart advertised that they bought products made in the USA unless there was no alternative?
Now, you are hard pressed to find anything in the store that is made in the USA.
The new policy about firearms is simply the last straw for me. I don't shop at Wal-mart any more.
Just bought ammo a few days ago at Wall-Mart. They haven't swiped my ID yet.
They do ask if the ammo is rifle/handgun and if I'm 18/21. Fortunatley (or now, more unfortunatley) I look old enough that they don't ask to see the ID when I tell them "yes".
They do ask if the ammo is rifle/handgun and if I'm 18/21. Fortunatley (or now, more unfortunatley) I look old enough that they don't ask to see the ID when I tell them "yes".
Rocketman56
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WM Home Office
My SIL, who works in the WM home-office, said the policy was to "Check" IDs much more aggressively, not swipe them..
Apparently, in some states, (she didn't elaborate) swiping the ID is against the law..
Not that somebody can't have a fake ID, but...
Also, after some of her stories, I NEVER pay anything but cash at WM or SC.. Inconvenient, but..
Later,
Steve
My SIL, who works in the WM home-office, said the policy was to "Check" IDs much more aggressively, not swipe them..
Apparently, in some states, (she didn't elaborate) swiping the ID is against the law..
Not that somebody can't have a fake ID, but...
Also, after some of her stories, I NEVER pay anything but cash at WM or SC.. Inconvenient, but..
Later,
Steve
Lupinus
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Update-
As I think I have mentioned I talked to CS who referred the issue to store management, who said that is was corporate policy. In light of how many have not needed ID swiped I have called back to try and get an answer for corporate. CS guy says there is no such policy to his knowledge and is forwarding the issue to someone at corporate store operations to call me back.
I'll report back on how that goes and if it is indeed corporate policy or store policy. As a management at the store has said it is corporate policy "because a lot of ID's aren't being checked" it is at least a store level issue, not the kid who was at the register. In either case, I wont have my ID swiped and it would be interesting to see if WalMart tells the store to knock it off since it is loosing customers.
And yes, I'd rather buy from the local store, would even pay a few bucks more. But when the price on a bulk pack of .22 is seven dollars more (a high percentage more considering the price of a bulk pack of .22's) and even more then that for practice ammo on other calibers, the local store is overpricing it. A few bucks is one thing, well above 50% more is another.
As I think I have mentioned I talked to CS who referred the issue to store management, who said that is was corporate policy. In light of how many have not needed ID swiped I have called back to try and get an answer for corporate. CS guy says there is no such policy to his knowledge and is forwarding the issue to someone at corporate store operations to call me back.
I'll report back on how that goes and if it is indeed corporate policy or store policy. As a management at the store has said it is corporate policy "because a lot of ID's aren't being checked" it is at least a store level issue, not the kid who was at the register. In either case, I wont have my ID swiped and it would be interesting to see if WalMart tells the store to knock it off since it is loosing customers.
And yes, I'd rather buy from the local store, would even pay a few bucks more. But when the price on a bulk pack of .22 is seven dollars more (a high percentage more considering the price of a bulk pack of .22's) and even more then that for practice ammo on other calibers, the local store is overpricing it. A few bucks is one thing, well above 50% more is another.
geophysicishooter
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I have been "stocking up" on .45 acp at the wallyworld recently and when the guy asks me if it's for a handgun, I tell him, "No, it's for my thompson carbine."
The look on his face is priceless. I know he knows I'm lying to him but it's what he needs to hear so... whatever.
It's been the same two guys back there every time I've been in so, I've built something of a repoir with him. I asked him about it the last time I went through there. He told me it's a federal law that he has to ask for ID for "handgun ammo" but not for "rifle ammo". Odd that there seems to be no consideration for 'dual use' ammo. Said there had been a fed LEO (ATF I think he said) in recently and the only way he knew that was when he asked for his ID and the guy showed him his id badge and commented that he was glad to see the counter guy had asking for ID..
As far as swiping the ID.. man, that's really kinda scary. someone already said Orwellian, I agree. Orwellian.
The look on his face is priceless. I know he knows I'm lying to him but it's what he needs to hear so... whatever.
It's been the same two guys back there every time I've been in so, I've built something of a repoir with him. I asked him about it the last time I went through there. He told me it's a federal law that he has to ask for ID for "handgun ammo" but not for "rifle ammo". Odd that there seems to be no consideration for 'dual use' ammo. Said there had been a fed LEO (ATF I think he said) in recently and the only way he knew that was when he asked for his ID and the guy showed him his id badge and commented that he was glad to see the counter guy had asking for ID..
As far as swiping the ID.. man, that's really kinda scary. someone already said Orwellian, I agree. Orwellian.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
The more I read about this kind of crap the more I want to pass a neodymium magnet over my wallet.
Let 'em enter the public, printed information by hand.
If they want my SSN, they can ask for it.
And I'll laugh in their faces, or give 'em the old 078-05-1120 number:
http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/misused.html
Let 'em enter the public, printed information by hand.
If they want my SSN, they can ask for it.
And I'll laugh in their faces, or give 'em the old 078-05-1120 number:
http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/misused.html
WayneConrad
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I don't buy ammo at Wally-world often; it'll be interesting to see if they ask me next time I do.
Up to now, the white hairs in my beard have been convincing evidence of my majority.
Up to now, the white hairs in my beard have been convincing evidence of my majority.
Dismantler
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Manchester, NH today, 04/28/2008.
Three 550 boxes of .22's. No ID asked for. (Of course, they can see that I am WELL over 21!
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Three 550 boxes of .22's. No ID asked for. (Of course, they can see that I am WELL over 21!
)30 cal slob
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Walked into my local Wal-Mart last night to stock up on some 9 mm ammo. I usually purchase the Winchester white box "100 round value packs" - the "practice ammo" (not the real 118 gr WWB FMJ stuff that is sold by the 50 round quantity).
I noticed several signs saying something to the effect of
I'm guessing this is a fairly local practice and is in response to the hoarding. Witnessed it myself on a number of occasions. One time a lady in front of me cleaned out the whole shelf and stockroom of the 9mm (literally cleaned it out - 20 boxes). The sporting goods managers I've spoken with (all good eggs by the way) say people tend to go cuckoo on Friday afternoons and Saturday mornings to stock up for range time.
In fact, I think the bullet hoarding one hour outside Noo Yawk City is worse than the rice-hoarding at the local Sam's Club. lol.
p.s. the stash of WWB 9mm 118 gr FMJ ammo was virtually untouched.
I noticed several signs saying something to the effect of
I'm guessing this is a fairly local practice and is in response to the hoarding. Witnessed it myself on a number of occasions. One time a lady in front of me cleaned out the whole shelf and stockroom of the 9mm (literally cleaned it out - 20 boxes). The sporting goods managers I've spoken with (all good eggs by the way) say people tend to go cuckoo on Friday afternoons and Saturday mornings to stock up for range time.
In fact, I think the bullet hoarding one hour outside Noo Yawk City is worse than the rice-hoarding at the local Sam's Club. lol.
p.s. the stash of WWB 9mm 118 gr FMJ ammo was virtually untouched.
Adirondack1
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Unfortunately Cheaper than dirt, and sportsmans guide won't sell legal products to people in NY and NJ. So wally world carding for ammo is just a continuation of the erosion of our rights.
BigGunsMoreFun
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All Wally Worlds Are Dead To Me
Walmart has joined the anti-gun crowd. They are dead to me. I will never set foot inside another one as long as I live. They stopped selling guns in South Florida. They stopped carrying anything but 22LR, 9mm, 38special, 44magnum, 45auto and 30/30 ammo and a few shotgun shells. This all happened within the last 8 months or so. Now I get this in my email from Gun Reports.
April 16, 2008
Wal-Mart Agrees To Gun-Retailing Restrictions
By Scott Freigh, Gun Reports Staff
Wal-Mart has agreed to adopt a 10-point retailing system pushed by the anti-gun group Mayors Against Illegal Guns.
Wal-Mart, the largest seller of firearms in the nation, cooperated in the drafting of and adopted what the Mayors Against Illegal Guns group calls the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership.
The Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership, created by Mayors Against Illegal Guns and Wal-Mart, is a set of policies that will be implemented over time that includes video recording of sales, rigid controls on inventory, checks that gun purchasers are not misrepresenting themselves and the development of a first-of-its kind computerized crime gun trace log for retailers.
The new crime gun trace log will flag purchases by customers who have previously bought guns later recovered in crimes.
Wal-Mart will implement the 10-point code at its stores where firearms are sold. The announcement was made April 15 at the Mayors Against Illegal Guns National Summit, held at the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center in Washington, D.C.
"We know the ways that guns can end up being used in crimes. Now a responsible and innovative company has stood up with our over-300 member coalition of mayors to strengthen their sales practices to keep guns out of the hands of criminals," said New York City Mayor and coalition co-chair Michael R. Bloomberg. "I've always believed in leading by example, and Wal-Mart has again demonstrated why it's a great American company. The Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership makes good sense - it will have no impact on a well-intentioned and law-abiding gun buyer - but will help keep Americans safer."
"Wal-Mart currently uses a strong point of sale system that allows us to serve the many hunters and outdoorsmen who've made us their retailer of choice, while also ensuring the responsible sale of firearms," said JP Suarez, senior vice president and chief compliance officer, Wal-Mart. "This code is a way for us to fine tune the things we're already doing and further strengthen our standards. We hope other retailers will join us in adopting the code."
"Partnerships like this one emphasize our mission to keep illegal guns off our streets, and reinforces that we are not cracking down on legal gun owners and the Second Amendment," said Boston Mayor and coalition co-chair Thomas M. Menino. "This is about public safety and I want to thank Wal-Mart for taking responsibility and being a leader in this area. This code of contact will have no impact on the rights of responsible gun owners, but will help mayors and our law enforcement stop the proliferation of illegal guns."
According to the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), 46% of its criminal gun trafficking investigations involved straw purchasers, where someone who is not legally allowed to purchase a firearm does so through the use of a proxy, known as a straw buyer. Examples of the provisions in the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership intended to deter and stop illegal purchasers are videotaped sales, increased monitoring of fake IDs, the crime gun trace log, and increased training for employees to spot illegal purchases.
Additionally, the inventory controls and increased physical security for firearms in the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership are intended to stem lost and stolen guns, which ATF reports often make their way into the illegal market.
Elements of the 10 points of the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership include videotaping the point of sale for all firearms transactions; a computerized crime gun trace log and alert system, and employee background checks.
That's it for me. Walmart has jumped on the anti-gun bandwagon with both feet. They will never get any of my business again.
Molon Labe,
Joe
Walmart has joined the anti-gun crowd. They are dead to me. I will never set foot inside another one as long as I live. They stopped selling guns in South Florida. They stopped carrying anything but 22LR, 9mm, 38special, 44magnum, 45auto and 30/30 ammo and a few shotgun shells. This all happened within the last 8 months or so. Now I get this in my email from Gun Reports.
April 16, 2008
Wal-Mart Agrees To Gun-Retailing Restrictions
By Scott Freigh, Gun Reports Staff
Wal-Mart has agreed to adopt a 10-point retailing system pushed by the anti-gun group Mayors Against Illegal Guns.
Wal-Mart, the largest seller of firearms in the nation, cooperated in the drafting of and adopted what the Mayors Against Illegal Guns group calls the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership.
The Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership, created by Mayors Against Illegal Guns and Wal-Mart, is a set of policies that will be implemented over time that includes video recording of sales, rigid controls on inventory, checks that gun purchasers are not misrepresenting themselves and the development of a first-of-its kind computerized crime gun trace log for retailers.
The new crime gun trace log will flag purchases by customers who have previously bought guns later recovered in crimes.
Wal-Mart will implement the 10-point code at its stores where firearms are sold. The announcement was made April 15 at the Mayors Against Illegal Guns National Summit, held at the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center in Washington, D.C.
"We know the ways that guns can end up being used in crimes. Now a responsible and innovative company has stood up with our over-300 member coalition of mayors to strengthen their sales practices to keep guns out of the hands of criminals," said New York City Mayor and coalition co-chair Michael R. Bloomberg. "I've always believed in leading by example, and Wal-Mart has again demonstrated why it's a great American company. The Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership makes good sense - it will have no impact on a well-intentioned and law-abiding gun buyer - but will help keep Americans safer."
"Wal-Mart currently uses a strong point of sale system that allows us to serve the many hunters and outdoorsmen who've made us their retailer of choice, while also ensuring the responsible sale of firearms," said JP Suarez, senior vice president and chief compliance officer, Wal-Mart. "This code is a way for us to fine tune the things we're already doing and further strengthen our standards. We hope other retailers will join us in adopting the code."
"Partnerships like this one emphasize our mission to keep illegal guns off our streets, and reinforces that we are not cracking down on legal gun owners and the Second Amendment," said Boston Mayor and coalition co-chair Thomas M. Menino. "This is about public safety and I want to thank Wal-Mart for taking responsibility and being a leader in this area. This code of contact will have no impact on the rights of responsible gun owners, but will help mayors and our law enforcement stop the proliferation of illegal guns."
According to the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), 46% of its criminal gun trafficking investigations involved straw purchasers, where someone who is not legally allowed to purchase a firearm does so through the use of a proxy, known as a straw buyer. Examples of the provisions in the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership intended to deter and stop illegal purchasers are videotaped sales, increased monitoring of fake IDs, the crime gun trace log, and increased training for employees to spot illegal purchases.
Additionally, the inventory controls and increased physical security for firearms in the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership are intended to stem lost and stolen guns, which ATF reports often make their way into the illegal market.
Elements of the 10 points of the Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership include videotaping the point of sale for all firearms transactions; a computerized crime gun trace log and alert system, and employee background checks.
That's it for me. Walmart has jumped on the anti-gun bandwagon with both feet. They will never get any of my business again.
Molon Labe,
Joe
Big Guns, Florida City Walmart still sells guns, I recently bought a crickett for my grandson,they had shottys and even some Marlins. Carol City and Hialeah Gardens stores sells ammo. I dont know where you live but check your stores physically, dont rely on third party info.
RancidSumo
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Your wallmart sells 100rd boxes of 45mm shells? That can't be a common seller.
Big45
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My Walmart sells all of it, and I'm squarely behind enemy lines. I buy it too it's relatively cheap.
theotherwaldo
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My city just bought our local WalMart. We're going to turn it into a very large public library.
As a librarian, I definitely approve.
I promise not to ration books.
As a librarian, I definitely approve.
I promise not to ration books.
Jorg Nysgerrig
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BigGunsMoreFun, there have already been several threads about that. No need to muck up this thread with it.
Bazooka Joe71
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Another Wal-Mart thread...Thank God!!! I haven't read one of these in close to an hour.
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