Walmart CCW Ammo?

[ScottyT]

I just hope Walmart never gets out of the gun game like i guess Kmart did

Although I wouldn't mind it if I knew about it first! A friend of mine cleaned out the local Kmart when they decided to stop selling ammo. They were selling it off for like 80% off the retail price and I think he spent $400-500. Still has his safe full of the stuff!

 

[Disaster]

For some reason my local Walmart stopped selling Blazer Brass 40S&W. Sold it out at $9 a box. Only had one box left when I got there. :-( Weird because the other Walmart nearby sells it for $13 per box and said they had no plans to stop.

 

[CajunBass]

What do you think that it 'might not' do? It's consistently gone BANG! every time I pull the trigger.

Don't you know? Nothing gun related EVER fails except "in the middle of a gunfight."

So remember... get the fight over before midway and you'll be fine.

 

[NG VI]

Federal HST is only $25 a box of 50... Seems like pretty excellent ammo to me. I've put a few hundred rounds through my carry gun to make sure it shot, not one problem. How it operates in human tissue I'll leave up to others, but the material I've read has all been very convincing.

Where are you paying $25 for 50 HST 9x19mm? I am paying $20 for the 9x19mm HST, I guess if I bought three boxes at a time shipping would bring it up that much per. Still a great deal though, no matter how you cut it.

 

[Bennett Prescott]

Where are you paying $25 for 50 HST 9x19mm? I am paying $20 for the 9x19mm HST

Sorry, should have clarified, I'm buying .45 ACP. The 9mm HST is indeed $20 a box from where I get it. I usually buy 10 boxes at a time to save on shipping.

 

[NG VI]

Oh yeah, I love their .45! not counting shipping, .45 HST is pretty close to the price of .45 from wally world isn't it?

 

[swift535]

thanks for the links to ammunitiontogo.com, I took the advice and just ordered a few boxes of HST from there to try out. appreciate the feedback

 

[Bennett Prescott]

Oh yeah, I love their .45! not counting shipping, .45 HST is pretty close to the price of .45 from wally world isn't it?

Pretty close, my Wally World hasn't figured out the price increase yet for some reason... 100 round boxes of WWB FMJ are still $29.99.

 

[bestseller92]

It isn't that WM "hasn't figured out the price increase", it's that WM buys in bulk and stores it in a warehouse, and they still have some of the ammo purchased at the old price left.

 

[Deanimator]

You didn't say what caliber. For 9x19mm, I'm very partial to the Winchester White Box 147gr. JHPs that they sell at Walmart. They're accurate, reliable and test well, both for expansion and penetration. And they're VERY reasonably priced.

 

[Bennett Prescott]

Well, I'll take it! Bought 1500 rounds last week.

 

[tblt]

Remington UMC 115 gr. HP do NOT expand I tested them along with Hydra-skok's 135 gr. and corbon 115 gr +p and winchester FMJ ammo in 9 mm.I got the best results dia. and penitration from the Hydra-shok 135 gr.
The rem HP and the Win FMJ had the same expansion NONE.

The test gun was a CZ p01 and I was shooting into wet phone books both the WIN and Rem went thru 3 phone books,The corbone went thru 2 and the Hydra-shok went thru 2 1/2.I had to dig the Rem. and Win. out of the dirt after going thru all 3.

 

[johnle]

the UMC JHP have expanded for me but most of the time they fragment.

i shoot gallon jugs and water bottles.

seems to me that the wet pack tends to clog the tips which may cause it not to expand.

 

[rbernie]

the UMC JHP have expanded for me but most of the time they fragment

What chambering and bullet weight?

 

[Happiness Is A Warm Gun]

the UMC JHP have expanded for me but most of the time they fragment.

i shoot gallon jugs and water bottles.

seems to me that the wet pack tends to clog the tips which may cause it not to expand.

Even a simple modification of doing same test but put couple layers of denim & cotton in front of first jug may radically change your results. Heavy clothing is what separates cheaper ammo from premium stuff.

When the HP clogs (and all ammo will) it will be subject to less hydrostatic pressure inside the hollowpoint. JHP expand because the fluid pressure on the inside JHP is pushes against the sidewalls which is forced outward. When punching through clothing some will get caught in the "mouth" and that substantially reduces the pressure level against the inside sidewalls of the JHP.

Two issues with shooting at naked water jugs
1) Pure water will result in MORE expansion than is likely in human body.
2) No clothing doesn't accurately account for lower pressure levels that partially clogged "mouth" will cause.

Fixing "issue" #1 is difficult but #2 isn't.

The better ammo will more reliable expand even at reduced pressure level.

I don't intend to shoot through barriers, or shatter windshields, but most BG do wear clothing, unless that changes anytime soon the most important stat for me is penetration & expansion when shooting through heavy (winter) clothing.

 

[jaholder1971]

WalMart logs and records all ammuntion sales, including photos of the buyer. They then turn those records over to the police to do as they want with them.

Find another source of ammo.

They don't here in KS.

My carry ammo for my 1911 is Remington 230 grain JHP from the Wallyworld 100 round boxes.

My Sigma SW40G uses WWB 180 grain JHP.

My 36 gets Speer 135 grain +P's but practice ammo is WWB 130 grain ball.

The stuff may not be the uber whiz bang, but the price is right and will do the job effectively.

 

[kmbrman]

Swift535 -Walmart Ammo

One of the contributors to THR , Josh Smith , has done a real good test on the UMC Rem 115 JHP. You can find it on the net on another popular thread .His test showed that the 115 JHP UMC, while an older technology, was still an appropriate carry load . Another test also on the net shows that the 147 WWB JHP from Wally is a good expander and has good penetration, performing a lot like the more expensive Silvertip 147.

 

[BattleChimp Potemkin]

All my testing involves wet sand barrels with 8 layers of denim on top. While not a test of expansion (I leave that to the gel and newspaper tests, or the good ol'fashion way, go get me a javelina), it does test clogging. I have found that the Winnie White Box is pretty good in all respects (a little high flash maybe, but above great in all regards). UMC is a nightmare in smaller calibers. When I loaded for 9x19, I noticed that the only way for the 115gr. UMC component bullet to expand and not clog was to speed it as fast as it could go (1250+) and even then, fragmentation, as mentioned above. Larger calibers, such as .40 and .45 are pretty darn good for not clogging and consistent (not extraordinary HST tacticool) expansion. The component bullets from UMC I would not trust to other than plinking or similar, however, the Winchester WB and its associated components are top notch in my opinion. I concurr with Josh's 147gr test, they are remarkable (waiting for the old school, 147gr doesnt expand, crowd to come and thump my skull) for the cost.

All in all, I would trust my life to WWB and buy it consistently for "strategic reserve" use. I understand and have ordered MUCH MUCH cheaper and "effective" ammuntion from Ammo to Go, however, I do not put my trust into it as far as one issue: Supply. While the pricing is lower, I would not put my entire trust into their "consistency" of supply. I dont want to buy a box of something here and there to build a supply, then they run out. I am OCD in my ammo concerns, standardization is always paramount to me. WWB will pretty much always be around, not to mention being available at pretty much any time. But thats me Incidentally, Ammo to Go has awesome deals of Federal Classic Hi-shok ammo, while not as cool as HST or Hissie Fit, what ever the newest craze is, it has worked for police departments for decades and are proven designs.

I look for ammo to deal with problems, not problems to match ammo to.