Walmart goes anti-gun

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This was posted over on OpenCarry.org:

schwarzi88 on OCOD wrote:
sorry this is a lil late but i had some major stuff to take care of at my house...... Anyways, i was at the Walmart at 106th south and 5th west on thurs July 3rd around 8:30 PM when i was asked to leave ..... i was not even in there for 10 min. as 2 [bottom]. Mngs came up to me and asked me to put my sidearm in the car befor i continue doing my shopping .... i told him that coprate stated ....bla bla bla ....bla bla ...... and i asked to talk to the district Mng. .... he told me he wasn't avalible and when i said that i was not going anywhere until he got ahold of him someone on the walky talky said to call the police..... that was my cue, lolol. so on the way to the door the 2nd [bottom]. Mng went to get me a supposed E-Mail that the legal department sent to all the stores. So as i passed the door greeter i asked her to give me a paper and a pen so i can write down the names of both [bottom]. Mng. As luck would have it i saw a LEO patroling the parking lot and i asked the male [bottom]. Mng. to go talk to her and clear some things up ....... to make a long story short she asked them why they didn't post sighns against Weapons to avoid this all the time ..... they said that since it was Private property they didn't have to ..... so about that time the 2nd [bottom]. Mng came out and handed me the 2 E-Mails......... i'm gonna paste these on here and u guys argue it out. I just think that Walmart is using its power as a corp. Giant to do as it pleases and silly enough gets away with it! I'm thinking that they have a lawsuit waiting to happen just to proove a point ...... maybe get a $10,000 Gift card out of it lol. well guys all jokes aside i think this prob shoud be addressed!

Looks like this affects both OC and CC, check out the emails below (sorry they are so small open them to read them):





Lets flood them with emails and get this stopped.
 
No suprise here, I was in a Wal-mart last week and saw a woman with a t-shirt that had plenty of large print profanity on it. I found this offensive but the manager said they could do nothing because of policey and the 1st amandment, but I see second amendment does not count.

Oh yeah IBTL
 
Do you think Wally World has gotten information that your not a good Concealed Carrier, until you do the Wally Walk to the sporting goods department, buy ammo after 11 PM and leave. ;)
 
It's their store - they're free to apply whatever policy they like. Doesn't mean you have to shop there, of course.
 
No suprise here, I was in a Wal-mart last week and saw a woman with a t-shirt that had plenty of large print profanity on it. I found this offensive but the manager said they could do nothing because of policey and the 1st amandment, but I see second amendment does not count.
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The BoR pertains to the government and limitations on its power, not the power of Walmart managers.

Their store, their policies.
 
Every time you see a sign that had a handgun with an X across it on the front of a store, think of that as saying 'No Blacks Allowed' or 'Whites Only'.

It's the same sort of biased discrimination.
 
Since they are making reference to Utah:
http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFLCarry.html
To quote "It is unlawful for a person with a firearm permit to carry a concealed firearm in the following locations:

Any secure area in which firearms are prohibited and notice of the prohibition is posted
A secure area of an airport
Any courthouse, churches if posted, mental health facility or correctional facility that may provide by rule that no firearm may be transported, sold, given, or possessed upon the facility. At least one notice shall be prominently displayed at each entrance to a secure area in which a dangerous weapon, firearm, or explosive is restricted"

It's not the First Church of Walmart, Yes they do have to post a sign. Now, they can ask you to leave. But if you do not like the rule, then stop shopping at Walmart. I stopped long ago.
 
It is their store, the employees just work there. They can make any rules they want to. I'd suggest you carry concealed if you carry.
 
A few weeks back, a female judge in my state (SC) was in a walmart supercenter with a young grandaughter.
The judge had turned away, the little girl removed the handgun in the womans purse, and proceeded to shoot herself with it.
The little girl survived, at last I heard the judge would not be charged.
I've slept since then, so there may be a rest of the story to it.
This could be the source of the walmart email.
The State Newspaper, The Aiken Standard, may have more info on it than I can provide, if any one is interested.
 
Also, as far as Walmart being anti gun, three new supercenters have been built nearby in the past two years. They DO NOT and WILL NOT sell or order guns. The older stores still do, but some of those are backing off of selling entirely
 
This trend of retailers and other businesses banning carry is getting out of hand. I keep reading of this mall here, that restaurant chain there, and yet another retail chain that ban carry. It is almost as if the antis realize they've lost the legal fight on carry and they've gone on a (quiet) campaign to get businesses to ban carry. If this continues, before long, even with a CCW permit the only time you'll be able to carry is going for a walk, in your yard, or going for a drive. If you stop anywhere you won't be allowed to carry.

It seems there are only two courses of action (both long shots):

1) Start a campaign to try to win back these businesses. Use the customer service end and boycotts to convince the business types in the company. The legal types will be harder, they tend to be paranoid, but use it to try to show liability (it will help if we can get some court cases) in cases where people are unarmed due to their policy and get robbed or assaulted in the parking lot, in the store, or on the way home (not all states have laws that allow you to keep a gun unattended in your car).

2) Try to change CCW laws to get rid of the signs, if you are licensed to carry, anyplace that allows the public in has to let you in. It would be a violation of property rights and thus against conservative values, but it may be legal (businesses open to the public can be banned from racial and religious discrimination, they can be forced to allow other members of the public).


That said, I'm surprised no one else picked up on the name of the poster on OpenCarry.org the OP quoted "schwarzi88". Schwarz is "black" in German, it can be a common name (just like Schwartz is black in Yiddish and a common name). However, he has it in lowercase letters (implying the word, not the name) and I wonder what the "i" after the word means (in Yiddish the soft "a" sound at the end makes it mean the same as the "n" word). That combined with the 88 makes me wonder- I've never seen 88 as an identifier for anyone but members of a certain group. The Neo-Nazis love it, the 8 stands for the 8th letter of the alphabet (h), the 88 or double H stands for the Nazi slogan which I don't wish to repeat (heil then the name of the leader). It does make me wonder if he did anything to antagonize the store management other than carry (such as certain tattoos, certain slogans on his t-shirt, etc.).

At any rate, it doesn't change the beginning of my post. Retailers and others banning carry is a dangerous trend with disturbing consequences if it continues at the current rate. However, my point is that we need to be careful who we have representing us (hopefully if the guy is a Neo-Nazi, which with his name I suspect he is, he wasn't dressed like one at Walmart, hopefully he was in business casual or a suit, we want to break stereotypes, not reinforce them).
 
When companies get real big and powerful the constitution means nothing to them, just the bottom line.

Sounds like the Judge showed poor judgement and will now pay the penalty for letting a child play with a loaded gun. Just cause someone made you a judge doesn't mean you are smart.

jj
 
Oh, I want to stress that I'm not attacking our OP, he probably didn't even notice any connotations of the name of the guy from OpenCarry.org. Just pointing out some disturbing connotations of the guy's name from Open Carry. We need to be very careful of who represents us and how they do it- if you want to push certain issues in the public conscious you need to look very clean cut, and ideally we want people who break stereotypes doing it (the young mom, the businessman, the Orthodox Jew, black Americans, Asian-Americans, etc.). Already, the general public sees us as a bunch of "militia" types, Neo-Nazis, KKK members, racists, and just general nuts. We want to fight these images and show the public that we are just like them if we have any chance of winning the public relations fight and keep our gun rights long-term.
 
Could you clarify the connotations of the name of the person from Open carry.

I just don't know what you're referring to is all.
 
I carry in walmart all the time...conceal carry I live in CT so I have to conceal. I thought it was wierd that when I went to purchase ammo( I was buying 30/30 ammo) they asked for my CCL., usually they just ask for a DL to verify age. I told the employee that what if I didn't have a CCL cause in Ct you don't have to have a CCL to buy a rifle she said it was store policy that since they have to check your age they might as well check your CCL. Then I said but in Ct you have to be 21 for a CCL but only 18 to buy ammo. She didn't have an answer just saying that's what she was told to do. If I wasn't in a rush I would have spoken to the manager about this as it dosn't make sense I know at Dick's they ask for a CCL whenever you buy pistol ammo they say it's a store policy but not rifle ammo??
 
sorry..............but considering SOME of the folk I see shopping at Wal-Mart, I wouldn't want them to be armed either.:what:



............just sayin'.:D
 
Also, as far as Walmart being anti gun, three new supercenters have been built nearby in the past two years. They DO NOT and WILL NOT sell or order guns. The older stores still do, but some of those are backing off of selling entirely
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Huh...the newest Wal-Mart around here wasn't a Supercenter, but they started off with NO plans to sell guns. Dunno what happened, but now they have a fully-stocked gun section.

I thought Wal-Mart was, for all their faults, a place that at least was vehement about letting CUSTOMERS that CCW practice their rights (to hell with their employees tho).

But ever since they crawled into bed with King Mike Bloomberg, I can't say I'm shocked to hear this.

This may be good for the country as a whole - people all OVER are starting to wake up to the notion that China owning us is BAD. Cheap(ish) ammo was the last use I had for Wally World, now I say (as every CCWer should) to the devil with 'em! :cuss:
 
I agree with other posters, conceal it and don't worry about it. I carry into Wal-Mart all the time. They have no sign and even if they did I would ignore it as in my state it's not against the law to ignore such signs. If they discover I'm armed, all they can do is ask me to leave. I've never had an issue with it.
 
Some wal-marts sell guns. Some don't.

Some gas stations sell beer, ammo and bait. Some don't.

I suspect they have a "policy," which they aren't going to get all nutso about enforcing.

I'm not a huge fan of the "open carry" movement... I think it's too soon to some of the other stuff that has gone in our favor, and I think that coming across with an aggressive in-yer-face attitude is going to be viewed negatively by a lot of fence sitters. And a LOT of the "open carry" folks are pretty aggressive about it.

In addition, all it takes is some doofus thinking that he's gonna play hero and grab that evil gun, and you've got a major problem. And those folks ARE out there...
 
Every time you see a sign that had a handgun with an X across it on the front of a store, think of that as saying 'No Blacks Allowed' or 'Whites Only'.

It's the same sort of biased discrimination.
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Not even close. Wal Mart is not discriminating against YOU. They just don't want you to bring your certain little piece of inanimate metal into THIER store. They own the joint, they can run it how they see fit.

"Gun owner" is not a race.

This open carry movement is great but please, if pp owners ask you to leave or disarm, why is it the OC nation gets all pissy and rants online all night about it. Check your ego, be polite, leave the privately owned space, and either comply, don't go back, or ccw. Good Lord.
 
Every time you see a sign that had a handgun with an X across it on the front of a store, think of that as saying 'No Blacks Allowed' or 'Whites Only'.
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Apples and oranges. Blacks cannot leave their skin in their car.

Businesses and property owners have the right to prohibit weapons. You have the right to not go there.

I won't be shopping at wally world anymore, just like I wouldn't go to someone's house that doesn't trust me to carry my weapon.

I wonder though, if Wal-Mart would be open to a lawsuit if a CCW'er who left his/her weapon in the car per the no-gun policy was injured on the premises as a result of not being able to defend him/herself.
 
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