Wanna hit at distance but don't want the RECOIL

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Proper positioning is essential for any shooting. If you stick with tiny calibers you are just using that as a crutch to avoid learning proper positioning. I avoided it for years. Now I can shoot a .270/.308/.30-06 for about 150-200 shots with no problem (from a lightweight bolt action).

I've found that the vast majority of the shooters that I know have horrible positioning which leads to much greater felt recoil.

A few people have taken my recoil advice and have had good results when they tried out my positioning method.
 
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I agree, Daniel, recoil management is in the position.

Prof, I'd describe it but I'd type for an hour and I still wouldn't convey anything. Its something that has to be shown and felt, I think.
 
Lets see...

You want easy recoil out of a scoped rifle, capable of bringing down a large animal at 600 yards with one shot.

Is this dropping the large animal on the spot, or can the animal run away for a few hundred yards? To drop an animal, you need to deliver energy to the vitals. A big fat deer is not the same as a big fat boar. You need both bullet weight as well as bullet energy.

So, its got to be 7.62NATO/308Win for a minimum. Maybe even a 300WinMag. For recoil, how about putting a good muzzle break on the rifle? That will definitely cut down on recoil, at the expense of muzzle blast and noise. I've read claims of muzzle breaks that would tame a 300WinMag down to 243Win levels.


As for 44Mag out of a lever action compared to 5.56Nato out of a M16, the 44Mag definitely kicks more, since you don't have the gas system helping, and most lever actions are not ported either.

Why not just try them out? Its more fun that way.
 
Maybe you should just pony up the $100 or so for a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 or an M-48 Mauser and start shooting it.
My MN's are cheap to buy and ammo is also cheap, so I can shoot alot with them. They have a little recoil, but not too much. And they are more than accurate enough for my purposes.
They aren't accurate enough for 600 yard one shot kills on field mice, but neither am I, and I have been shooting centerfires since I was a kid.
It will take you awhile to get good enough to do what you want to do.
An old Mil-surp rifle is a good place to start.
 
Can anyone recommend me a rifle and ammo combo that can place accurate fire to 600 yards and bring down a large animal with ONE shot?

I didn't even notice that when I first read the thread...

Honestly, get that idea out of your head right now. Like others have said, if you're not confident enough to shoot a .30-06 class cartridge, you're definitely not going to be able to bag an animal cleanly at long range. I have confidence on game out to about 300, out to 350 if the conditions are excellent. I've only known a handful of people who can take shots on game past 500 yards. Most of them have been shooting magnum class rifles for decades, have specialized equipment, and are meticulous handloaders.
 
Lets see...

one shot kill at a large animal...
at 600 yards...
low recoil comparable to a 223Rem...

Reminds me of that 'triangle' of Quality, Cost, Time. You can have 2 out of 3.

One shot kill at a large animal, with low recoil... I think a 223Rem at point blank range would do it.
One shot kill at a large animal at 600 yards... I think a 300WinMag ought to do it.

600 yards and low recoil ... I think a 223Rem with at least 3 magazine changes with the large animal chained to a tree stump ought to kill it.
 
Okay, I've settled for the.....

...... .243 round and a good bolt action rifle + quality scope. I once read somewhere that good match ammo for .243 has not been produced for lack of demand. I hope this is not true but can you guys give me a couple of recommendations for good long range .243 ammo and a good .243 bolt action rifle? The rifle budget is under $850.
 
Dear Kaylee,

The $850 is just for the rifle. Ammo expenditure is also not an issue, I want the BEST .243 ammo out there for long range wild predator deterrence. Hopefully, the gun has a magazine capacity exceeding 5 rounds.

As for the scope, my budget is $250.
 
Some, myself included, might suggest a slightly lower rifle budget and a slightly higher optics budget.

My heavy 243 is a Winchester Coyote. It is one of the two rifles I shoot the most. In this picture, it has a Swarovski 6x42 scope but it now wears a Zeiss VM series scope 2.5-10x50. You probably don't have to get that high end of a scope but I think a rifle in the $550-$650 range would be very suitable and that would allow another $250-$350 for a better scope. Unless you happen across a used Sako for $850 or less that you like, then I'd probably go with that.

I like Rugers and Winchesters so that is what I would recommend. Winchester's Coyote model and Ruger's VT series rifles have laminated wood scopes while many prefer a synthetic stock. Ruger offers their 700VS in 243 and I wouldn't recommend against it, just as I said, I prefer Rugers and Winchesters. Any of these should run you $600-$650 or there abouts brand new. If you're not inclined to tinker with such things, you'll probably want to have a trigger job done to the rifle and this can run anywhere from $35 to $80 and would be money well spent esp when you get to shooting at longer ranges. The two things that might increase accuracy would be to have the barrel crowned and have the barrel set back some distance. You won't know until you see how the gun shoots and which loads are best in your particular rifle. Having said that, most guns these days are very accurate - more than likely more accurate than you will be for some time. no offense. :p

For scopes, I'm a bit fan of the Weaver Grand Slams but the Nikon Monarch and Leupold VariX II or III are viable certainly options. I would probably suggest that you won't need as much magnification as you might be inclined to want. I almost always use 6x setting on my variables and I've seen some guys do some might fancy shooting with 6x and 10x scopes. You don't need a 24x capable scope for shooting at 600 yards and your money would probably be better spent on a higher quality but lower magnification scope. A 3-10, 3-12, 4.5-14 or so should do you just fine for a long long time. SWFA has a used optics list that can be seen here that usually offers some very good deals and some great deals from time to time but you have to watch closely as the good deals go pretty quickly.

Good luck and certainly ask more questions.

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The nature of this thread reminds me of the newer CCW people who are looking for the least expensive, most reliable, largest caliber, least recoil, featherweight type gun that can be shot accurately under any circumstances out to 50 yards or so and don't require practice to master.

Kannonfyre, at least your request isn't totally unrealistic and you might have some options to meet your needs.
 
Seems to me that if you're not humpin' through the boonies with a bunch of stuff, anything under nine pounds or so just ain't that big a deal. And few rifles which fit the shooter are much of a recoil problem at nine pounds (omitting the "really biggies"). My wife's purse is over nine pounds, and she can log several miles in any mall in North America!

600 yards? For one who isn't handloading, I'd suggest a .300 Win Mag or equivalent (WSMs, for instance) and a rifle with a KickEez pad to soften the punch to one's shoulder. I'd definitely go for a 26" tube.

I note that when comparing the depth and diameter of gouges on my 500-yard steel plate, a 180-grain bullet is noticeably better than 165- or 150-grain stuff.

Art
 
The .243 is a great caliber but based on your initial post, I would think that the 7mm-08 would be a better choice.
The recoil energy for the .243 ( in an average rifle) is about 10 ft. lbs.
The 7mm-08 is about 12 ft. lbs.
By comparison, the .308 is about 18 ft. lbs.
So the 7mm-08 is much closer to the .243 in that respect, yet it will be considerably more effective on larger game at greater distances. If you go with a slightly heavier rifle, the recoil becomes even less of a factor.
This chart will give you a good idea of the real world potential for the various cartridges.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/game_range_caliber.htm

In fact, I'd recommend reading through the various articles on this sight before making your final decision.
 
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