I think Mr. LaPierre said that the NRA would pay for the training? (I need to check that again), and that they would foot the bill for the setup of the schools, and that we would volunteer. It wouldn't really be "free", but I'd bet it would run better than if the administration did it. That is how we stay ahead of this thing. Be proactive and take charge of it. Not to be too "clicheish", but sometimes if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself.
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JTHunter
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While I liked Wayne's comments about the games, esp. the sadly named "Kindergarten Killer", I failed to hear mention of certain music that talks about killing people, particularly LEO's.
And. either I missed it or he failed to broach the topic of the lack of discipline endemic in our lives these days. It's not just the lack of discipline and/or responsibility where well-meaning psychologists/sociologists tell us that we aren't responsible for our actions. It is the result of "our upbringing" or some other outside force that affects our judgement.
Just look at all the perps sitting in prison that are blaming their actions and subsequent incarceration on their parent(s), their school, their bosses, never owning up to the fact that, whatever their background, THEY did the crime!
That is what seems to be missing here.
And. either I missed it or he failed to broach the topic of the lack of discipline endemic in our lives these days. It's not just the lack of discipline and/or responsibility where well-meaning psychologists/sociologists tell us that we aren't responsible for our actions. It is the result of "our upbringing" or some other outside force that affects our judgement.
Just look at all the perps sitting in prison that are blaming their actions and subsequent incarceration on their parent(s), their school, their bosses, never owning up to the fact that, whatever their background, THEY did the crime!
That is what seems to be missing here.
larryh1108
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How noble of you. Don't blame the gun. Don't affect my RKBA. Address the other causes but don't make me pay for it.
We're sorry to bother you. This isn't your problem after all.
HOWARD J
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The police ( city next to ours) called my son looking for CCW holders to train to guard schools
I told him that's great but keep looking for a job ( he has 20 years as an x-ray tech) & can't find a job in this area--he can get a job in fL---wants to leave his 2 teenage kids here
I told him we will not live for ever & keep looking for work here in MI.
We would live a lot less if he leaves those kids here.
I too old to go back to raising teenagers -- I had enuf of that.--:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
I told him that's great but keep looking for a job ( he has 20 years as an x-ray tech) & can't find a job in this area--he can get a job in fL---wants to leave his 2 teenage kids here
I told him we will not live for ever & keep looking for work here in MI.
We would live a lot less if he leaves those kids here.
I too old to go back to raising teenagers -- I had enuf of that.--:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Although I don't agree with everything that Wayne or others at the NRA may have to say I still encourage everyone I can to become a member.
Without the NRA we effectively have no recognized voice in Washington. GOA, JPFO etc. are great they just don't have the power and pull that the NRA has. If we fragment the NRA membership now we are only hurting the future power of the 2nd Amendment.
Let elected officials know that guns aren't the problem.
Raleigh Ritter
Without the NRA we effectively have no recognized voice in Washington. GOA, JPFO etc. are great they just don't have the power and pull that the NRA has. If we fragment the NRA membership now we are only hurting the future power of the 2nd Amendment.
Let elected officials know that guns aren't the problem.
Raleigh Ritter
9MMare
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Is that truly the 'we' he meant? If so, I didnt realize it.
But how is that any better? How am I anymore responsible as a childless gun owner than a childless taxpayer?
I'm already paying for their education. Let their parents pay to protect them. Isnt that a parent's job?
R.W.Dale
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RE video games
We as a gun owning community by in large understand that certain individuals cannot have access to firearms for many possible reasons.
I think this is something the ever more immersive gaming community needs to come to terms with as well and is a valid point albiet probably a minor one.
I'm rather optimistic to see that the problems of deranged individuals going on killing sprees is being discussed as four major points.
We need to find solutions from the gaming community. The mental health system is under scrutiny, security is important in limiting the death toll but shouldn't be confused with prevention and lastly we as a shooting community need to ask ourselves what we can do differently.
Lets be realistic here and understand that current gun laws ARE going to get a serious looking over. The NRA needs to be there guiding the process in whatever faculty they can and not just finger pointing.
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We as a gun owning community by in large understand that certain individuals cannot have access to firearms for many possible reasons.
I think this is something the ever more immersive gaming community needs to come to terms with as well and is a valid point albiet probably a minor one.
I'm rather optimistic to see that the problems of deranged individuals going on killing sprees is being discussed as four major points.
We need to find solutions from the gaming community. The mental health system is under scrutiny, security is important in limiting the death toll but shouldn't be confused with prevention and lastly we as a shooting community need to ask ourselves what we can do differently.
Lets be realistic here and understand that current gun laws ARE going to get a serious looking over. The NRA needs to be there guiding the process in whatever faculty they can and not just finger pointing.
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BK
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It's almost as if you're saying the 2A is rightfully to blame to some extent.
I was happy with what Wayne said. I was hoping the organization wasn't going throw black rifle owners under the bus and they didn't.
Also in the plus column, I guess Geraldo Rivera will be shredding his NRA membership card as he proclaimed he would do on Fox and Friends this morning if the NRA didn't call for an AWB. One less pretender on our side.
Also in the plus column, I guess Geraldo Rivera will be shredding his NRA membership card as he proclaimed he would do on Fox and Friends this morning if the NRA didn't call for an AWB. One less pretender on our side.
Sam Cade
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LaPierre talking about videogames is a bit like Feinstein talking about guns. They are equally painful.
Shadow industry? ***? The last CoD had over a BILLON dollars in sales in the first two weeks of release.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_II
Shadow industry? ***? The last CoD had over a BILLON dollars in sales in the first two weeks of release.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_II
9MMare
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Exactly how is this my problem?
It's my problem because other people with social/mental problems took a firearm and killed kids...some would say kids that were not adequately protected???
No, it's my problem because it looks like I may be punished for it financially and also have my 2A rights further restricted.
The root of the issue needs to be addressed, the cause....not the method.
lobo9er
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I'm glad people are seeing the flaws with the NRA it wasn't long ago all I did was ask a critical question about the NRA and alot of people started with "you just sit we'll do the heavy lifting, we're members" NRA can still be great again but not with the ones who lead it. They have gotten fat. Larry Pratts interview with Piers had more statistics and facts in that one interview than this press conference that they spent a week coming up with.
It is possible the NRA didn't want to roll out everything at once but.... There are so many facts and stats on the side of the gun owner he should of just let'em have it #'s, murder rate, gun free zones, the works.
It is possible the NRA didn't want to roll out everything at once but.... There are so many facts and stats on the side of the gun owner he should of just let'em have it #'s, murder rate, gun free zones, the works.
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:banghead: I agree video games and movies are helping make a more violent society today. All of the chubby kids with asthma who play nintendo for 8hrs a day need to calm down and let the adults talk about adult matters.
If violence is everywhere it becomes more acceptable over time.
If violence is everywhere it becomes more acceptable over time.
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I usually don't weigh in on stuff like this but I find the call for armed guards at all schools to be asinine.
It's similar to the airport security overreaction post-9/11.
The NRA's official response just played into the gun-banners hands. It sounds crazy to antis and those who were neutral to the issue to begin with.
Their response should've involved math and statistics. The average 1st grader is still more likely to die at the hands of a bad parent, or babysitter, or get run down by a drunk driver. The mass shooting of 26, though terrible, must be looked at in terms of relativism. 300,000,000 plus people in this country, and gun violence rates that are actually declining still per capita.
It's similar to the airport security overreaction post-9/11.
The NRA's official response just played into the gun-banners hands. It sounds crazy to antis and those who were neutral to the issue to begin with.
Their response should've involved math and statistics. The average 1st grader is still more likely to die at the hands of a bad parent, or babysitter, or get run down by a drunk driver. The mass shooting of 26, though terrible, must be looked at in terms of relativism. 300,000,000 plus people in this country, and gun violence rates that are actually declining still per capita.
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Nico Testosteros
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Charles Whitman couldn't have played video games.
RonC
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I constantly complain that anti-gun, anti-second amendment people are acting out of ignorance, or if I want to be gentle - they are uninformed about firearms. They offer knee-jerk reactions to gun issues and never bother to educate themselves about the issue.
So, along comes Mr. LaPierre and presents violent games as the villain. At one time in the past, I agreed with him on that point until I decided to educate myself and stop spouting my favorite scapegoat. I spent considerable time looking up the evidence for violent video games as the instigator of violent crime. Look up "Video Games Don’t Make Kids Violent," By Christopher J. Ferguson; professor of psychology and criminal justice at Texas A&M International University.
Then read "Lawrence Kutner, and Cheryl K. Olson, Harvard Medical School Center for Mental Health and Media, in their 2008 book Grand Theft Childhood: The Surprising Truth about Violent Video Games: "It’s clear that the ‘big fears’ bandied about in the press - that violent video games make children significantly more violent in the real world; that children engage in the illegal, immoral, sexist and violent acts they see in some of these games - are not supported by the current research."
Try Henry Jenkins, Provost's Professor of Communication, Journalism at USC, 2010: "Reality Bytes: Eight Myths about Video Games Debunked." He states: "According to federal crime statistics, the rate of juvenile violent crime in the United States is at a 30-year low. Researchers find that people serving time for violent crimes typically consume less media before committing their crimes than the average person in the general population."
According to a 2001 U.S. Surgeon General's report, the strongest risk factors for school shootings centered on mental stability and the quality of home life, not media exposure. There are many more studies and articles out there.
Mr. La Pierre should have done his homework on video games, but didn't. That said, I agree about training and arming faculty and staff at schools.
Ron
So, along comes Mr. LaPierre and presents violent games as the villain. At one time in the past, I agreed with him on that point until I decided to educate myself and stop spouting my favorite scapegoat. I spent considerable time looking up the evidence for violent video games as the instigator of violent crime. Look up "Video Games Don’t Make Kids Violent," By Christopher J. Ferguson; professor of psychology and criminal justice at Texas A&M International University.
Then read "Lawrence Kutner, and Cheryl K. Olson, Harvard Medical School Center for Mental Health and Media, in their 2008 book Grand Theft Childhood: The Surprising Truth about Violent Video Games: "It’s clear that the ‘big fears’ bandied about in the press - that violent video games make children significantly more violent in the real world; that children engage in the illegal, immoral, sexist and violent acts they see in some of these games - are not supported by the current research."
Try Henry Jenkins, Provost's Professor of Communication, Journalism at USC, 2010: "Reality Bytes: Eight Myths about Video Games Debunked." He states: "According to federal crime statistics, the rate of juvenile violent crime in the United States is at a 30-year low. Researchers find that people serving time for violent crimes typically consume less media before committing their crimes than the average person in the general population."
According to a 2001 U.S. Surgeon General's report, the strongest risk factors for school shootings centered on mental stability and the quality of home life, not media exposure. There are many more studies and articles out there.
Mr. La Pierre should have done his homework on video games, but didn't. That said, I agree about training and arming faculty and staff at schools.
Ron
Wayne LaPierre has been a tireless supporter of gun rights and I agree with his proposal. He is right that the combination of influences he describes has much more to do with violence than does gun ownership. The presence of the antigun hecklers is a stark presentation of the mindless attack on gun ownership with not a single glance at other contributing factors. Gun ownership, especially "assault" weapons is the ultimate red herring. Obama will ride this wave as long as he can sustain it.
Certaindeaf
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I don't think they are coming for your gameboy so maybe tone it down a notch.
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This is what I don't get: The other side seems to be saying "no" to every idea. Bulletproof back packs? No. Armed teachers? No. Armed guards? No. More metal detectors? No. It's like they want students to be at the mercy of shooters.
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